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Maybe one day AVN can be incorporated into an appraisal too , idk. but substituting an AVM for an appraisal is problematic unless there is a slew of regulations about how they are ordered, who gets to review them if anyone, , who picks the value from their result etc, and that combined with the inspection requirement makes them almost as expensive as an appraisal ..... just saying.


I doubt you can load enough additional steps for a lender to use an AVM that would even come within 1/3 the total cost of their use of an appraisal. Appraisals get handled and read by users, too.

There are assignments out there where getting an appraisal is money well spent, including some that reveal facts about the subject that will kill the deal regardless of what the value is. But there are also assignments out there where getting an appraisal adds zero utility to the user.

Who can even know how many appraisals assignments we've all done (myself included) where the additional effort involved in the appraisal added no utility to the user's usage when compared to if they had used one of these alternatives? The appraisal didn't reduce their effective risk one little bit because "the value" was never critical due to the low LTV.


Okay George. I don't look at it for intended user if "market value" is the definition. You are skewing toward intended use and user. When I do "market value" appraisal, I don't really care who intended use or user is. I go for market value opinion of value. I can serve a client on a different definition of value.
 
You are an appraiser advocating to not use appraisals , (so a borrower can save $200? - banker will just upcharge that $200 elsewhere ) Why is our field under attack by its own, what other field sees that ? Do lawyers post on social media for people not to use them, and the should use a cheaper Legal Zoom instead ? Only the owner or proxies of Legal Zoom would...

And again, the regulations for origination loans is they can not use an AVM alone, they must (typically) use at least an evaluation (or a desktop appraisal ) with at min an ext inspection.
I am not advocating to not use appraisals. Just because I won't lie to you and tell you what you want to hear doesn't make me part of your opposition. I'm treating you like an adult, not like a child who needs to be protected from the truth.
 
That's always what it comes down to, offloading the risks to the public whilst retaining the profits. When the govt allows this it amounts to one of the most significant moral hazards imaginable.


It's not offloading risk to public. It is offloading risk to private.
 
It's the lender's money (which means its not the bkrs money), so how they make those decisions is none of our business. When it's your money then your opinion about how those decisions will be meaningful to someone - you.

We can believe all we want that these lenders are being allowed to make the wrong decisions and that they're taking unnecessary risks, but nobody cares what we think. We are irrelevant to those decisions.

You don't matter to anybody, and neither do I. You're zooming yourself if you think otherwise.
Your still shifting from definition of value on mortgage backed loans and securities. YOU are focusing on intended use and user.

The definition of "market value" don't care for the most part who the intended use or user is. Maybe assignment conditions.
 
The overarching theme in our appraisal standards is to render services to our intended users in a manner which is meaningful (to them) and not misleading (to them). We don't exist outside of providing a legitimate service in furtherance of their legitimate interests.

Of which, lying, cheating and stealing in order to enable a client or user's illegitimate interests would be in conflict with our standards.
 
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The overarching theme in our appraisal standards is to render services to our intended users in a manner which is meaningful (to them) and not misleading (to them). We don't exist outside of providing a legitimate service in furtherance of their legitimate interests.

Of which, lying, cheating and stealing in order to enable a client or user's illegitimate interests would be in conflict with our standards.
Definition of value within the SOW is like the corner brick. Your shifting from definition of value.
 
Okay, where does the market value definition in your report explain intended use and user in the "definition of value"? Is like fairy tails?
 
There will be lawsuits coming from multiple angles. Many are asking for them. They will get them.
 
Definition of value within the SOW is like the corner brick. Your shifting from definition of value.
No I'm not. I know exactly what I'm talking about.
 
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