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GLA Dilema For Bottom Floor

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Honestly, the functional utility and quality of the space would be the driver for me as to where it should be listed in the grid. If it were designed as other walkout basements (rec room, maybe a bed and bath), then it would be considered below grade space. If it acted more as a first floor (kitchen, living, dining room), then I would count it in with the GLA. Either way, I would explain exactly why or why not and the impact on value.

For consistency in the sales comparison analysis, the appraiser should compare above-grade areas to above-grade areas and below-grade areas to below-grade areas. The appraiser may need to deviate from this approach if the style of the subject property or any of the comparables does not lend itself to such comparisons. For example, a property built into the side of a hill where the lower level is significantly out of ground, the interior finish is equal throughout the house, and the flow and function of the layout is accepted by the local market, may require the gross living area to include both levels. However, in such instances, the appraiser must be consistent throughout the appraisal in his or her analysis and explain the reason for the deviation, clearly describing the comparisons that were made.

I've done a few "below grade homes" over the years and treated them all differently. Adding this quote from Fannie in your explanation of why you did what you did can prevent a lot of headaches later.
 
Thanks for the not-so-nuanced inference that I'm suggesting one just wave a magic wand to come up with a number.
But I guess I wasn't clear: In this case, the issue will likely be finding comparables with the similar basement element. Since I didn't think it was necessary to explain how to find similar comparables, I provided an alternative: Find non-comparables with the similar element (a basement) and...

Well D,

The OP is listed as a trainee, so every little bit of "here's how to do something" might be helpful, to a trainee that is.

Perhaps you can get that online, most recent Dictionary of Real Estate Appraisal, and give us the definition of basement???

http://www.myappraisalinstitute.org/dictionary/

'Cause I never bothered to buy the New Dictionary, when they changed the definition of future value.

Thanks.

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In my market it’s a basement. Having said that in my market a walkout basement is considered as good living space. So I try to find similar configurations and adjust accordingly. Also basement adjustments can get tricky because not all finishes in the basement are equal to each other. And herein lies the rub with adjusting basement living area. I’ve seen some homes where the basement finish is really every bit as good as the above grade GLA. Then I’ve seen some where it looks like a weekend carpenter put it together. So I may need to make a quality adjustment even though the above grade finish is equal. Then I make my typical sf or room count adjustment. I would talk to some other appraisers in your area to see how they grid that home. The main reason is the UAD format will catch it if it is a sale and you use it as a comparable later. Also you want to be consistent with others in your market.
 
I am inspecting a 3-story house(see attached photo) on a hillside.
Let me guess...the middle level has the kitchen, dining area and living room (maybe a bed and/or bath). Upper level consists of beds and baths????

If that's true, then it's not a 3 story. It is a 2 story with a walk-out basement. Upper 2 levels are GLA. The whole lower level is basement. Adjust for contributory value of that finishing.
 
Let me guess...the middle level has the kitchen, dining area and living room (maybe a bed and/or bath). Upper level consists of beds and baths????

If that's true, then it's not a 3 story. It is a 2 story with a walk-out basement. Upper 2 levels are GLA. The whole lower level is basement. Adjust for contributory value of that finishing.
ExActly as I would describe and did last week. Just because it has a walk out does not make it GLA. The two other levels are GLA . Mine had a single bed and bath on each floor.
 
I may need to make a quality adjustment even though the above grade finish is equal
Hmm, how is it GLA if not equal in quality? I mean, wasn't that the point of segregating them in the first place? And if different, how can it be "equal"?? Here basements are a drag on market, invariably musty smell, and only a lake shore home stands a chance of contributing any but a modest amount compared to a non-basement home.
 
I don't even know why they print Dictionaries any more.

We can just go on social media and ask everyone else what anything means.

Who needs printed accepted definitions in the new world of "tech"?

A wood frame house with a concrete basement. Why does this get conflated every couple of weeks for decades?

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No dilemma (yet). Simply remember to appraise apples to apples and to report comparable sales consistently to your subject. Then consider different client types may require you report these in a certain way; mortgage work for example (1004 form).

I see a two-story home with an exposed basement in your pic. I would separate the two levels above grade, from the one level below grade, on a sales grid/comparable analysis. Then I would state how much (a percentage or actual sf) of the lowest level was finished living space, and to what quality (quality the same as above grade? quality maybe less than above grade?).

The simple assignment would be where you have numerous sales of homes exactly like your subject, three levels total, two above, one below, with the lower level exposed. You may be finding however, the available sales are not exactly the same design (layout), yet still share a similar location, quality of build and general design, which would of course would render these relevant indicators of value, in my opinion (for instance you could have a two-story and a one-story, both similar in location, quality, living area and physical condition). I say in my opinion, because that is where it sometimes goes haywire and creates a dilemma. Other people will be reading, reviewing and using your report, and these people may not know what they are talking about, and might even decide they know better than the appraiser, despite the appraiser being the hands-on, trained, skilled and experienced expert. They might tell you only homes exactly like your subject are relevant and "acceptable" for consideration. That sort of dilemma, which is in my opinion much more of a dilemma than what you are wondering at this point, will be something you will learn to deal with on case by case basis. However, the most important thing, is to go back to my first sentence, which is to appraise apples to apples and report your data consistently. Good luck.

PS - Is there really a big difference between a Red Delicious and a Fuji? If so, is this the same type of difference between say, an apple and a banana? In houses, again in my opinion, most buyers value location, size (utility) and quality (design, component quality), and further if the home is no longer new, then physical condition as well. While conversely, buyers view one-story vs two-story as a personal preference or see no difference at all. You will find appraising is easy, while making your case to obtuse users is not as easy.
 
I don't even know why they print Dictionaries any more.

We can just go on social media and ask everyone else what anything means.

Who needs printed accepted definitions in the new world of "tech"?

A wood frame house with a concrete basement. Why does this get conflated every couple of weeks for decades?

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Marion---The word basement should be removed from old dictionaries and real estate guidelines. We have millions of millennial's who have masters Degrees and PHDs and hearing the non-stop chatter on the news and online sites about how they are now living in their parents basements is and has destroyed their level of self confidence and it also denotes a form of belittlement and even silent racism because nobody wants to live in a basement. Therefore Fannie & Freddie should eliminate the basement grid and count any area that can be utilized or lived in as true GLA and that would eliminate all the confusion once and for all.

As far as ANSI it was written by races of tall people and it inherently discriminates against little people because if I am only 5 feet tall that 6 foot ceiling is plenty high enough but some appraiser shows up and says I don't have a real bedroom or the same jerk says my bedroom that is 8 X 8 is too small. Thank god HUD is finally looking at manufactured housing rules and guidelines and a good chance that by 2019 a lot of the arcane rules will be tossed in the trash and then next will be Doodle and Frank.
 
Marion---The word basement should be removed from old dictionaries and real estate guidelines. We have millions of millennial's who have masters Degrees and PHDs and hearing the non-stop chatter on the news and online sites about how they are now living in their parents basements is and has destroyed their level of self confidence and it also denotes a form of belittlement and even silent racism because nobody wants to live in a basement. Therefore Fannie & Freddie should eliminate the basement grid and count any area that can be utilized or lived in as true GLA and that would eliminate all the confusion once and for all.

As far as ANSI it was written by races of tall people and it inherently discriminates against little people because if I am only 5 feet tall that 6 foot ceiling is plenty high enough but some appraiser shows up and says I don't have a real bedroom or the same jerk says my bedroom that is 8 X 8 is too small. Thank god HUD is finally looking at manufactured housing rules and guidelines and a good chance that by 2019 a lot of the arcane rules will be tossed in the trash and then next will be Doodle and Frank.
Glenn,
The form says
Basements
AND
Below grade finished rooms.

Do you know the meaning of
AND?
Or should we start a poll?

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