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.......my understanding is that a course and instructor prior approved for CE is an automatic on the state level.......wrong???
at least this is what I thought I read on two to four states appraisal boards' information web sites..........please advise.......thanks.......rs
 
Wrong.....at least in the 2 states I know about.

If your are wanting to teach Continuing Education in NC or SC you must:

Get the Course Provider approved

Get the Course approved

and

Get the Instructor approved,


Applications and $$$$$$$ for each of these.

Now USPAP is a little different....but still requires applications and $$$$.

Other sates may do it in a different manner.

Count me in for AQB Provider/Course/Instructor approval that would transfer from state to state (except for state specific courses).

I won't ***** about the $$$ but PLEASE cut down on all the different forms, applications and approvals.
 
So UC are you in favor of states giving blanket acceptance to any course approved through the AQB Course Approval Program? That would sure seem like a reasonable solution to the redundant paperwork

Yes...for the course. One approval for any COURSE. I understand that the states may wan to control the provider and the instructor....but even that should be approved similar to reciprocity. If the school or instructor screws up then don't let them back in the state.


All of the extra paperwork that is REDUNDANT costs time and money. Someone has to pay for the time and someone has to pay the money. Guess who always pays in the end......each appraiser.
 
I have seen the NCAB NOT APPROVE some instructors and courses on many, many ocassions. Not saying they did not have cause. I am saying that it is not automatic in NC.
 
In Delaware, if the course and instructor are AQB approved or approved through the CAP program, it si automatically approved. :clapping: Well we have done something right!
 
..........I THINK that is true in Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas and Lousiana plus one more as I recall.....no absolute guarantee, but a strong postive rememberance........by the way the true is----instructor and course ASB approved, then state is automatic plus some fees..............best to all....rs
 
Here are the NCAB rules on CE Instruction. Cash strapped board should get out of the CE business and let the AQB handle it. Nationwide approval would be much better and many states don't have the staff or money to handle it.

By the way, as of 01/01/2008 the NCAB is charging each school a $5.00 fee per student, per course which will bring in close to $100,00 per year.



SECTION 57B.0600
CONTINUING EDUCATION COURSES57B .0601 Purpose and Applicability
This Section establishes minimum standards for appraisal continuing education courses authorized by G.S. 93E-1-8(c) and required by Rule .0204 of Subchapter 57A. These standards must be satisfied in order for course sponsors to obtain and maintain approval of their courses for appraiser continuing education credit. Except as provided in Rule .0602(a) of this Section, any school, organization, agency, individual, or other entity is eligible to become a continuing education course sponsor. Course sponsors must obtain course approval from the Board prior to conducting the course for continuing education credit and prior to advertising or otherwise representing that a course is or may be approved for continuing education credit in North Carolina. To request credit for a continuing education course which has not been approved by the Board, a trainee, licensee or certificate holder must follow the procedure set forth in 21 NCAC 57A.0204(f).
History Note: Authority G.S. 93E-1-8(c); 93E-1-10;
Eff. July 1, 1994;
Amended Eff. August 1, 2002.
57B .0602 Application And Fee(a) Course sponsors seeking approval of their courses as appraisal continuing education courses must make written application to the Board. A course sponsor must be the owner of the proprietary rights to the course for which approval is sought or must have the permission of the course owner to seek course approval. If the course for which approval is sought is one that may be offered outside North Carolina, and the course owner wants the Board to approve such course when it is conducted outside North Carolina, application must be made by the course owner. After receipt of a properly completed application, the Board will review the application pursuant to the criteria set forth in 21 NCAC 57B .0603 and shall notify the sponsor of its decision.
(b) The original application fee shall as prescribed in G.S. 93E-1-8(d) for each course for which approval is sought, provided that no fee is required if the course sponsor is an accredited North Carolina college, university, junior college, or community or technical college, or if the course sponsor is an agency of the federal, state or local government. The fee is non-refundable. A course sponsor may offer approved courses as frequently as is desired during the period for which approval is granted without paying additional fees.
(c) Each application must be accompanied by copies of all course materials, including handbooks, slides, overheads, and other non-published materials. The application must also include the title, author, publisher and edition for each published textbook. Each application must also have a timed outline for the course.
(d) The application must state the name of the instructor for the course.
History Note: Authority G.S. 93E-1-8(c),(d);
Eff. July 1, 1994;
Amended Eff. January 1, 2008; March 1, 2006; August 1, 2002.
57B .0603 Criteria for Course Approval
The following requirements must be satisfied in order for course sponsors to obtain approval of a course for appraiser continuing education credit:
(1) The subject matter of the course must comply with the requirements of Rule .0204 of Subchapter 57A and the information to be provided in the course must be both accurate and current.
(2) The course must involve a minimum of three and one-half classroom hours of instruction on acceptable subject matter. A classroom hour consists of 50 minutes of classroom instruction and 10 minutes of break time. Instruction must be given for the full number of hours for which credit is given. Instructors may not accumulate unused break time to end the class early.
(3) The course instructor(s) must:
(a) possess the fitness for licensure required of applicants for trainee registration, real estate appraiser licensure or certification; and
(b) either:
(i) two years' full-time experience that is directly related to the subject matter to be taught;
(ii) a baccalaureate or higher degree in a field that is directly related to the subject matter to be taught;
(iii) two years' full-time experience teaching the subject matter to be taught;
(iv) an equivalent combination of such education and experience; or
(v) be approved by the Board pursuant to 57B. 0606(11).
(4) If two or more instructors shall be utilized to teach a course during the approval period and the course shall be taught in states other than North Carolina, it is sufficient for the course sponsor to show that it has minimum instructor requirements comparable to these requirements. The inquiry into fitness shall include consideration of whether the instructor has had any disciplinary action taken on his or her appraisal license or any other professional license in North Carolina or any other state, or whether the instructor has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to any criminal act.
(5) The course must be one involving a qualified instructor who, except as noted in Item (6) of this Rule, shall be physically present in the classroom at all times and who shall personally provide the instruction for the course. The course instructor may utilize videotape instruction, remote television instruction or similar types of instruction by other persons to enhance or supplement his personal instruction; however, such other persons shall not be considered to be the course instructor and the course instructor must be physically present when such indirect instruction by other persons is being utilized. No portion of the course may consist of correspondence instruction. The instructor must comply with Rule .0306(c) of this Subchapter. Instructors for the National USPAP courses must be certified by the Appraiser Qualifications Board of the Appraisal Foundation.
(6) A trainee or appraiser may receive up to 14 hours of credit every two years in the period ending on June 1 of each odd numbered year for participation in a course on a computer disk or on-line via the Internet. A sponsor seeking approval of a computer-based education course must submit a complete copy of the course on the medium that is to be utilized and must make available at the sponsor's expense all hardware and software necessary for the Board to review the submitted course. In the case of an internet-based course, the Board must be provided access to the course via the internet at a date and time satisfactory to the Board and shall not be charged any fee for such access. To be approved for credit, a computer-based continuing education course must meet all of the conditions imposed by the Rules in this Subchapter in advance, except where otherwise noted. The course must be interactive, permitting the participant to communicate, via telephone, electronic mail, or a website bulletin board, with the presenter and other participants. The sponsor of an on-line course must have a reliable method for recording and verifying attendance. The sponsor of a course on a computer disk must demonstrate that there is a reliable method for the user or the sponsor to record and verify participation in the course. A participant may periodically log on and off of a computer-based continuing education course provided the total time spent participating in the course is equal to or exceeds the credit hours assigned to the program. The course design and delivery mechanism for an on-line course offered on the Internet must have received approval from the International Distance Education Certification Center (IDECC). A course completion certificate must be forwarded to the student as stated in Rule .0607 of this Section, and a course roster must be sent to the Appraisal Board in accordance with Rule .0608 of this Section.
(7) The course must be an educational program intended to improve the knowledge, skill and competence of trainees, and licensed and certified real estate appraisers. Activities not eligible for approval as a continuing education course include in-house training programs of a firm, organization or agency, trade conferences or similar activities.
(8) The course sponsor must certify that the course shall be conducted in accordance with the operational requirements stated in Rule .0606 of this Section and that the course sponsor will comply with all other applicable rules contained in this Section.
(9) The course title may not include the words "Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice" or "USPAP" unless the course is either the 15 hour National USPAP course or the 7 hour National USPAP update course. If the course is the 7 hour National USPAP course, the course title must state which edition of USPAP will be taught in that specific course.
(10) Each course must utilize a textbook or course materials that have been approved by the Board.
(11) If the course content is related to technology, such as software, hardware, electronic devices, manuals, or databases, the course shall be developed specifically for utilization in the real estate appraisal business in order to be approved for continuing education credit. Such courses shall not require the student to purchase specific products, and shall not use the course to sell or advertise particular products or software.
History Note: Authority G.S. 93E-1-8(c); 93E-1-10;
Eff. July 1, 1994;
Amended Eff. January 1, 2008; March 1, 2007; March 1, 2006; July 1, 2005; July 1, 2003; August
 
Wow..things have changed since 1994 , ahhhh for the good ole days when the all you needed was a Crayola and measuring tape..
 
Tell me how much, I will pay the $$$$$ just stop with the redundant forms. How many times does a board neen my name, address , Certification number,
email address, educational history, employment histoyr etc.......hey if anything CHANGES, I will let them know.
 
Not the most efficient operation

Here are the NCAB rules on CE Instruction. Cash strapped board should get out of the CE business and let the AQB handle it. Nationwide approval would be much better and many states don't have the staff or money to handle it.

By the way, as of 01/01/2008 the NCAB is charging each school a $5.00 fee per student, per course which will bring in close to $100,000 per year.
A five dollar fee per student, per course is probably a bit high, but fairly close to the cost of processing and maintaining the CE records of appraisers in the state. Considered by itself, I don't see a problem. But when considered in light wasted funds and increases in other fees, it is ridiculous.

The saddest part of the repetitive nature of the application for course approval in NC is the staff likely is required to waste time and effort entering the same information into their database each time too.
 
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