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Has anyone attempted to bring Ethics Violations against a Realtor for continually making negative remarks against you?

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When I read your thread, my initial reaction was what did you do to get realtors to bad mouth you.
Lender/Client/AMCs get to choose appraisers. Realtors have stories to tell to each other.
Just be careful with the big shot realtors who have been around and big player in the market.
I had one who hated me back 10 years ago. His offers were always near the high range in the market. He was fortunate with market kept on going up to this day.
To this day I don't recall doing any appraisals with him. Years ago I had an assignment with him as an agent. I declined to take that assignment. He's trouble.
 
I’m appraising one this afternoon that’s under contract for 515K.

It is about 60K overpriced. Oh yeah it was listed for 499K. Yes, people don’t know what the hell their buying.

Two days ago, I asked the listing agent if she had any comparables that she wanted me to consider. I gave her my e-mail. So far, crickets. And it's because they don't exist.
 
f you wait to cancel the assignment (also putting off the buyer or homeowner) you're no better than they are.
When is the last time I found a contract for sale dated within 30 days of them ordering the appraisal from me? They can wait. They waited to order the appraisal until they got the title and credit report done...now did they pressure them to finish quickly? I bet not. While I won't waste much time rejecting an assignment sometimes it is hard to figure.

I turned one down earlier this year because the buyer paid so far over the top (absolutely the top price paid for any such property in a 4 county MLS area) I knew it was a waste of my time and their money. And I too have a black list of agents myself. I've been lied to too many times from one brokerage. I check once and 2/3rds of their listings were over-estimating the SF and in the field placing "Courthouse" as the source. And any finished basement or attic room was always lumped into the SF and then prices as if it were GLA all the way. They provided me a contract from one of their employees after I appraised it dead to nuts between 3 of their own new construction houses. Inflated the price by about $10k. I refused to change the report. Piz'n'moaned to the bank until I fired them as well. And sure enough six months later it closed at almost exactly my MV estimate well under the "contract" and the buyer wasn't the man who signed that contract.

I understand the concept of acting in the interests of your client as agents must. But I don't know why lying and fraud are ethical practices and included in their "acting."
 
One of our local appraisers had a reputation of "coming in low" so a bunch of Realtors got together and gave him all one star Google reviews. The poor guy had to permanently close his Google business listing and now only does fixed fee USDA work.
 
When is the last time I found a contract for sale dated within 30 days of them ordering the appraisal from me? They can wait. They waited to order the appraisal until they got the title and credit report done...now did they pressure them to finish quickly? I bet not. While I won't waste much time rejecting an assignment sometimes it is hard to figure.

I turned one down earlier this year because the buyer paid so far over the top (absolutely the top price paid for any such property in a 4 county MLS area) I knew it was a waste of my time and their money. And I too have a black list of agents myself. I've been lied to too many times from one brokerage. I check once and 2/3rds of their listings were over-estimating the SF and in the field placing "Courthouse" as the source. And any finished basement or attic room was always lumped into the SF and then prices as if it were GLA all the way. They provided me a contract from one of their employees after I appraised it dead to nuts between 3 of their own new construction houses. Inflated the price by about $10k. I refused to change the report. Piz'n'moaned to the bank until I fired them as well. And sure enough six months later it closed at almost exactly my MV estimate well under the "contract" and the buyer wasn't the man who signed that contract.

I understand the concept of acting in the interests of your client as agents must. But I don't know why lying and fraud are ethical practices and included in their "acting."
I get where you are coming from and I agree with the timeframes of all parties asking for everything to be done in the last minute.

I didn't like the post how the appraiser was wanting to punish a Realtor they didn't like, by waiting to cancel a few days later, not thinking about the other parties. There are usually at least 4 parties involved in a sale and the appraiser just pissed off another 3. Let's stop playing games, if you want EVERYONE to take us professionally. I feel these types of issues make people want to remove us from the process.

I think we can do better than that.
 
if you want EVERYONE to take us professionally.
I wish they did, however, they don't so I doubt it matters. If they did, they wouldn't cancel assignments when they found someone cheaper. As I said, I don't cancel assignments like that but sometimes it take a day or two to figure out it's not your cup of tea. I have withdrawn from a number of assignments after the inspection. There are several reasons why. The property is so over-valued it is no use wasting my time and their money. The conditions are far more complex than the property was proposed to me and the price I bid. Like the time I got on site for a new residential construction only to find it was an operating commercial cabinet building site. And 90% of that was the result of dealing with secondary market. I eliminated them years ago and even then I was only working for regional banks in secondary market so I never had screwed with the AMC types. However, a couple of my trainees turned independent did and regretted it much of the time. One died being owed considerable money from AMCs.

My solution to the worst of these was to eliminate secondary market entirely and 99.9999% of those problems went away. I do in-house banking appraisals. Mostly rural and commercial. And I specialize in mineral rights - which was much of my business until the market prices fell off a cliff about 5 years ago.
Let's stop playing games
I propose that when our client stop jerking our chain then we can afford the luxury of being professional. But if I am going to be treated like a buffoon, then I'll make them as miserable as they make me. My favorite reply to some phone monkey calling and saying, "whatsyourfeeandturntimeforasinglefamilyresidenceinAdairCounty?" My reply? "If you have to ask, you can't afford me." Then 100% of the time, they pause and about half the time they say, "Oh? Thank you." click. Ask me if I give a crap. They are not a business relationship I want anyway. If the letter of engagement is more than 2 pages, it gets a good looking over and if it is over 6 pages, I don't waste my time with it. I reject the assignment or don't bid on it at all. In fact, I quit bidding. Today I picked up an assignment from a bank that "requires" me to use their portal, so I told them I had better things to do. So I've done 3 so far this year for them....no portal, they order direct like they used to. It's a mutual choice. I can appraise property or I can **** with portals and bids. I'm busier than I want at 70 than I care to be anyway. And the bank knows that the closest CG is 30 miles away and will charge and arm and a leg for the simplest assignments. If the assignment is in Oklahoma side of the line, then their problem is compounded as they have to go 90 miles away to Tulsa to find a CG and most of them don't want to take assignments 3 counties over.

As for "professional" - I wonder why any CR would not want to get their CG and having options to get a professional fee for their work instead of bantering over chump change with some AMC that may or may not pay in a timely manner. Estates and giftings are premium fee work and often require a CG. And zero reviews unless you're a complete moron. When I return to room temperature or retire, there won't be a single CG on this side of the county. On my plate now is a car wash, a donation of land, an estate appraisal of a dwelling and land, a small ranch, another estate, and a cabin/hunting land on the lake. I offered to help train a guy but he's "too busy" with residences. Fine. People die regularly. And most of those can be done at your leisure - no 72 hour turn time and hurry up mistake riddled form reports. Housing markets ebb and flow and when they ebb the fees offered are scraping the bottom of the barrel. So if you are interested in the field of appraising, then would you not try to achieve the top license and smooth out those slow times?

Without the commercial license, you get stuck in form monkey land. But when I ask CRs why they wouldn't try to work towards a CG, part of it is they are too lazy to learn how to use a word processing program (it isn't that hard or I couldn't do it), never get past cutting/pasting into cloning reports, has no idea how to create templates, drop down menus, etc. and if they buy a narrative writer they don't want to learn it, and they are too cheap to take commercial level classes or even that $45 night class to learn Excel and Word or learn WordPerfect on line - which is easier to learn than Word in my opinion and I use both.

I am happy to treat clients professionally. I am up front with them about my limitations. I charge a modest fee that is commensurate with the time and expense of the project. I don't gouge anyone, but I am not going to work for peanuts either.
 
Well when you have four sales that bracket the square footage of the subject by a 100 sf (sold in pass two months and in the subject's immediate subdivision) and the Realtor sends you comparable sales that are 400-500 smaller and expect you are going to make adjustments based on the price per square foot of the whole property. You then ask why use comparable sales that are so small and not ones more similar, they tell you because those more similar sales don't make their contract. They have knowledge of the market, just don't apply it. It is all about making the deal, no matter where they pull their comps.
Oh yeah. Had one ask for an ROV last week - conttract price $25k above all 90 day match model sales within the subdivision. Which he suggested I ignore. He provided 3 alternatives outside of subdivision because - even though the were 3 miles away - they were still “as the crow flies” in distance..

needless to say, the crow did not leave the Subjects subdivision and fly off to the other. I am waiting now to see what price the property closes at
 
Oh yeah. Had one ask for an ROV last week - conttract price $25k above all 90 day match model sales within the subdivision. Which he suggested I ignore. He provided 3 alternatives outside of subdivision because - even though the were 3 miles away - they were still “as the crow flies” in distance..

needless to say, the crow did not leave the Subjects subdivision and fly off to the other. I am waiting now to see what price the property closes at
Like the crow comment !
If a buyer puts down more $ to close the gap, then it will close at that higher price.

Our client is the lender, and lender via the market value purpose appraisal, wants to lend an LTV % based on the market value $ opinion, vs lending on an inflated sale price amount. When a buyer puts down their own $ to reach a price - so be it. If that means the next round of comps is higher , that is beyond our concern at time of a current date appraisal.
 
Like the crow comment !
If a buyer puts down more $ to close the gap, then it will close at that higher price.

Our client is the lender, and lender via the market value purpose appraisal, wants to lend an LTV % based on the market value $ opinion, vs lending on an inflated sale price amount. When a buyer puts down their own $ to reach a price - so be it. If that means the next round of comps is higher , that is beyond our concern at time of a current date appraisal.
I am seeing more contracts than ever before with appraisal contingencies stating buyers will come up with the cash difference if the Appraised Value falls short Of the contract price
 
I am seeing more contracts than ever before with appraisal contingencies stating buyers will come up with the cash difference if the Appraised Value falls short Of the contract price
Me too. fine by me ! I see it in about 1/3 of the deals now.
 
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