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alonsopanduro

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I have an assignment to do a Full on a Historical Property in Rivereside County, CA. My Mentor is helping me out with it, but I want to do my own digging. I know, and have documentation that it is on the Historical Preservation Society's list of Historical Properties. It is an SFR, built in the 20's. Orig plumbing according to owner, as well as somewhat updated fixtures etc. Orig wood floors, new roof. Exterior is brick and it all appears to be in average condition. Problem is, its a "big white elephant", surrounded by tracts built in 50's-70's, all conforming. Besides opening up parameters, and extending my geo locations, and of course, using other historical props, assuming the subject is in ave condition, what other items do I need to focus on? Assuming no recent sales, how far back can I go? Any special documentation I need to ask for? Oh yea, and I havent even inspected yet, I just drove by it today, to check it out. Any special things I should look for during the inspection, other than the norm? Do cities typically keep lists of Historical Properties they have designated? I appreciate any advise, thanks.
 
Good Luck

you nailed it 'white elephant'

problem with historical desig. is that its hard to update the home, lots of restrictions.

HO often think Historical Desig. increases value, often not.

It takes similar sales to support value and since there are not a lot of historical home sales in most markets(assumption from my market and learning of others)
its hard to support.

Good Luck

you might give it back to yur mentor and let him figure it out..
 
I take it you're in the city of Riverside itself rather than one of the outlying suburbs. The city probably will keep a list of historicals, but your chances of finding a recent sale of one of them is pretty slim. However, sales of homes from the '20s and '30s shouldn't be that scarce; there's a bunch of those properties in the core areas of the city. There's also a bunch of them in the city of San Bernardino or maybe Redlands. I know, I know, different county. But there is some economic correlation there between the two areas. As a last resort you could look and see.

The first thing to look out for is the zoning. A lot of times these homes are located in neighborhoods at or near the center of town, and their underlying sites might not have SFR zoning; they might be multi-family or commercial zoning. You wouldn't care if its multi-family, but if it's commercial zoning you might possibly be looking at a highest and best use issue in the form of the property being worth more as an office conversion potential than a residence. Given the recent trends in SFR pricing in SoCal, I kinda doubt any single tenant office use would be profitable enough to attempt such a conversion but you never know until you look. Remember, just having the legal right to convert doesn't automatically make it the HBU; it also has to be more profitable to do it that way instead of simply leaving it "as is" or rehabbing it as a residence.

One of the questions you'll need to resolve is what it would take to update the place so that it has reasonable plumbing, electrical. If the interior isn't relatively contemporary, you may have a floor heater or other form of heating that isn't real efficient. The kitchen and baths may need some attention, too. As an historical, significant alterations of the exterior design are probably out, but that's okay since the typical buyer is going to be a big fan of that kind of thing anyway. However, the interiors of these homes can usually be remodeled. Homes in that age range usually are of frame/siding construction so you'll be looking for signs of deterioration and termite infestation; check for a stable foundation, and at least take a look at the fusebox. Those items will usually tell you a lot about the structure.

The only other thing is to make sure the previous owners haven't deeded the exterior facade over to the historical society or the city. There are a few places in SoCal where they've done that, and in doing so have basically ceded all control over the facade to an outside entity. In the case of an activist historical society or city agency, this can even prevent the new owners from fixing things that need to be fixed without an extensive and costly review process. Sometimes there are property tax credits involved. It doesn't always affect the value or the marketability, but if present, it can.

If you don't ask the questions, they probably won't give you the answers. If you're not ready to ask the questions and then take all the steps necessary to address them in your appraisal then you should probably pass the assignment on to a more experienced appraiser. This property would probably classify as a complex assignment, so hopefully your supervisor is at least a Certified Res. If not, then he/she shouldn't be doing it, either. IMO.
 
Great advise, thanks. Yea, I work with a cert and cert gen appraiser who help me out and teach me the fine art of re appraising. These guys have 15 and 25 years in the biz. They know their sh_t, and are as tough as nails. The city is actually Corona. I'm sure I can find comp props in Old Town Riv and Redlands. San Berdo is somewhat of a dif economic market than the others though. So lets say I found 3 good comps but dated back 18 months in Corona. And also found 3 good recent (6 mos) comps in Riv and Redlands. Would it make more sense to time adjust the local market sales, or use distant recent sales? I like the hard ones, cuz it feels great when you finish and turn in the report, knowing how hard you worked, and how much you learned. Then hope it doesnt come back a month or two later with a condition. What a rush, I love it. Thanks again guys.
 
Corona!! What do they have in the way of historic? 10 parcels, maybe? Geez. You pulled a good one.

I would agree that San Berdo is a stretch. Riverside proper is probably sufficient, other than it being in the wrong direction in terms of values being higher as you drive west on the 91. Likewise, I reckon Orange is probably too disparate for comparison, too. If you've got three older sales in town and a couple from Riverside that's probably about the best you can do. Just remember you're going to be considering for similar utility and you'll be okay.

The great thing about doing more complicated assignments is that there is an inverse correlation between the complexity of the assignment and the number of people who will find fault with a reasonable solution. Notice how everyone and their dog has an opinion when you're appraising a tract home, but nobody has anything to say when you're appraising apartments. Technical competency really weeds out the critics.
 
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, I choked on my tea reading that a home built in the 20's is historic. :lol: :lol:


In my neck of the woods that's brand new. :lol: :lol:

Sorry I couldn't help myself.
 
I remember Pop Colliton's house in Stawberry Bank was built in the 1780s and he was still living in it when I was in Portsmouth in the early 1960s.
 
Is it Stawberry or Strawberry Bank that led to Pop's longevity?
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It is Strawberry Bank, sorry about the miss spelling. If you wrote it as they pronounce it ... it would be Stawberry. :rofl:

Pop was in his 80s when I knew him. I was stationed at Pease AFB in the early 60s and got involved in CB radio. He was a fixture on channel 10. The house had been in his family since it was built. As I recall, he was one of the last residents in that historic district. Most of the houses were renovated and turned into little museums.
 
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