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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Subprime Loan Delinquency Rates Up

Oct. 11, 2006, 5:13PM

Subprime Loan Delinquency Rates Up

By DANIELLE REED Dow Jones Newswires
© 2006 The Associated Press


NEW YORK — As the housing market slows, evidence continues to build that borrowers with less than perfect credit are struggling more this year than one or two years ago.

Loans made to borrowers with less-than-perfect credit _ also called subprime loans _ are being closely watched by mortgage bond investors as a bellwether for a change in low mortgage default, low-foreclosure environment that's prevailed for the better part of a decade.

Higher loan defaults and delinquencies are of concern to bond investors who could face losses if loans are paid off early due to foreclosures.

Subprime borrowers are generally thought to be more stretched financially and hence more vulnerable to a slowing housing market _ or to a slowing economy _ than are borrowers with higher credit scores.

But even some borrowers with higher credit scores than traditional subprime borrowers _ those who qualify for so-called "Alt-A" loans _ are having more difficulty keeping up with payments, noted UBS in a recent report.

As of August 2006, the rate of delinquencies in subprime loans backing mortgage bonds issued in the first quarter of 2006 reached 4.00 percent, nearly twice as high as the delinquency rate for subprime bonds issued in the first quarters of 2004 and 2005 at a similar age, said UBS in the report.
In September, Novastar Financial, a subprime lender that packages loans as bonds and sells them, released its most recent mortgage bond performance report _ called a "bond remittance report" in industry speak.

A bond issued in April, known as 2006-01, had 7,173 loans remaining and had 91 loans in foreclosure and 29 already real-estate owned (meaning the properties backing the loans had been taken over from the original borrowers). By comparison, last year, a bond called 2005-2, issued in May of 2005 had as of October 2005 11,498 loans remaining and just 23 loans in foreclosure with 1 loan real estate owned.

The report "provided evidence that recently originated subprime loans are performing much worse" than loans originated in earlier years, said Kevin Jackson, senior mortgage strategist with RBC Capital Markets in Chicago.

That said, the worsening performance of 2006 subprime loans versus previous years can also be seen in other types of loans, said UBS in its report. "For every Alt-A product type, the delinquency rates of (the) 2006 vintage are higher than their predecessors" at a comparable point in the life cycle of the bond, UBS said.

For example, after about six months into 2006, Alt-A option adjustable-rate mortgage loans had close to a 0.5 percent rate of delinquencies of 60 days or more. At a similar age, 2005 loans had a rate a bit under 0.4 percent, and 2004 vintage loans had a rate of close to 0.2 percent.

For Alt-A interest-only loans with interest-only terms of five years, the 2006 vintage loans had a delinquency rate of slightly over 1.3 percent after about six months, while 2005 vintage loans stood at 1.2 percent and 2004 loans at a similar age stood at 1.00 percent.

The rising incidence of delinquencies and defaults across mortgage types, UBS said, appears to coincide with the peak of the housing market in late summer 2005. Ever since home sales started slowing, supply of homes for sale started increasing and prices started rising more slowly or even falling in some markets, borrowers have been having a tougher time.
 
Bubble has historically been used for “investments” that are little more than wagers on the greater fool theory, like the Tulip Craze in Holland. Applying the term to real estate is inappropriate. So if you think you have a sound point, why muddy up your own message by using bad vocabulary. It makes your message indistinguishable from those who think this is going to be a decline of bubble proportion.

But Steven....close to 40% of the homes purchased in 2004 and 2005 were bought by speculators (per a NAR survey), and NAR itself is admitting that prices were inflated because of it.

You can fancy dance around calling it a "bubble" all you want, but the shoe fits. David Lereah dodged the moniker by saying that it was a "balloon"...but it doesn't change the fact that the market was puffed up by non-traditional influences.

http://www.realtor.org/Research.nsf/pages/housingoverview
 
Dee Dee said:
But Steven....close to 40% of the homes purchased in 2004 and 2005 were bought by speculators (per a NAR survey), and NAR itself is admitting that prices were inflated because of it.

You can fancy dance around calling it a "bubble" all you want, but the shoe fits. David Lereah dodged the moniker by saying that it was a "balloon"...but it doesn't change the fact that the market was puffed up by non-traditional influences.

http://www.realtor.org/Research.nsf/pages/housingoverview

40%?????????

Now we're incluing vacation homes as real estate speculation???????
 
Mike,

You're right, and I stand corrected. My apologies!

The NAR survey concluded that 23% of purchases in 2004 were for investment, while 13% were second homes.

http://www.realtor.org/press_room/news_releases/2005/seconghomemktsurges05.html

I assume that the definition of "second home" is that it isn't a rental, otherwise it might be considered an investment property by lenders and therefore subject to tougher financing terms. Right?

I'm also assuming that the other 64% of homebuyers interviewed in the survey were being honest that the homes they bought were owner-occupied, and that they wouldn't lie about that occupancy in order to get better financing terms.

http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/20050930_feignedoccupancy.htm
 
Death valley days/sunglasses; And sell what you dont want

Steven Santora said:
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Except for those who may be at the apocalyptic end of the spectrum, I didn't notice anyone in the thread no accepting reality. Can you name someone?

Maybe you are just using the term badly and everyone else’s sensitivity is just fine. Among, correction, crash and bubble – bubble has always referred to the largest and most extreme declines.

Bubble has historically been used for “investments” that are little more than wagers on the greater fool theory, like the Tulip Craze in Holland. Applying the term to real estate is inappropriate. So if you think you have a sound point, why muddy up your own message by using bad vocabulary. It makes your message indistinguishable from those who think this is going to be a decline of bubble proportion.

If it is imminent, it would happen even if real estate prices had not been bid up the last few years.
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Frankly a main point that maybe needs to be made again /again,
find Moh's appraisal comments on Death valley perhaps living its name in RE, more believable ;
than mainstream media wrongly broadbrushing nation wide RE market.

Now the Wall Street Journal is better perhaps than most media;
yet they did a wrongly one sided piece on RE recently -all negative.
And as a Hudson valley appraisor said [paraphrase, this website] the glass is not half emply, its overflowing minus a few sips. In that NY area anyway.

Besides Ronald Reagan did pretty good in Death Valley Days;
in private sector.

The headline''Sell what you dont want'' sounds like it came from Investors Business Daily, balanced;
actually it came from paper edition, Wall Street Journal 4-13-2005.

Display ad , same page, same day, same message;
''672 acre sheriff sale''
 
Dee Dee said:
Mike,

You're right, and I stand corrected. My apologies!

The NAR survey concluded that 23% of purchases in 2004 were for investment, while 13% were second homes.

http://www.realtor.org/press_room/news_releases/2005/seconghomemktsurges05.html

I assume that the definition of "second home" is that it isn't a rental, otherwise it might be considered an investment property by lenders and therefore subject to tougher financing terms. Right?

I'm also assuming that the other 64% of homebuyers interviewed in the survey were being honest that the homes they bought were owner-occupied, and that they wouldn't lie about that occupancy in order to get better financing terms.

http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/20050930_feignedoccupancy.htm

No apologies needed.

23 + 13 = 36% well let's round it to 40%.
23% are for investment, well let's call them all speculative purchases.
13% are for 2nd homes, well let's say some of those buyers are frauds too!

Just trying to keep everyone intellectually honest.

I'm soooo glad I'm a glass half full kinda guy.
 
mike neff said:
I'm soooo glad I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

Yeah...I can tell that you'd be a blast to party with. :)
 
Mortgage Rates jump on inflation concerns

Mortgage Rates jump on inflation concerns

Adjustable mortgages see biggest increase; 30-year at 6.37%

By Amy Hoak, MarketWatch
Last Update: 12:13 PM ET Oct 12, 2006


CHICAGO (MarketWatch) -- Inflation concerns boosted mortgage rates during the past week, hitting adjustable-rate mortgages especially hard, according to Freddie Mac's weekly survey, released on Thursday.

"Renewed concern that inflation is still an issue put some upward pressure on bond yields, which generally translates into higher interest and mortgage rates," said Frank Nothaft, Freddie Mac chief economist.

"ARM rates especially felt the weight of increased inflation fears, narrowing the gap between ARMs and fixed-rate mortgage rates. Thus, ARMs may become less desirable."

The 30-year fixed-rate mortgage averaged 6.37% for the week ending Oct. 12, up from its 6.30% average last week. The mortgage averaged 6.03% a year ago. The 15-year fixed rate mortgage averaged 6.06% for the week, up from its 5.98%. The mortgage averaged 5.62% a year ago.

Five-year Treasury-indexed hybrid ARMs averaged 6.10%, up from 6.00%. The hybrid averaged 5.57% a year ago. One-year Treasury-indexed ARMs averaged 5.56% for the week, up from 5.46% last week. The ARM averaged 4.85% a year ago.

The 30-year and 15-year mortgages required an average 0.5 point to obtain the rate, the 5-year ARM required an average 0.6 point and the 1-year ARM required an average 0.7 point. A point is 1% of the loan amount, charged as prepaid interest.

According to a survey by the Mortgage Bankers Association, released on Wednesday, mortgage application volumes fell by a seasonally adjusted 5.5% during the week ending Oct. 6. The MBA survey covers half of all U.S. retail residential mortgage originations.
 
mike neff said:
40%?????????

Now we're incluing vacation homes as real estate speculation???????

In some areas that is true...lots of folks out here bought second homes then put them immediately put them back on the market. They occupied it while it was listed, and when it sold, they went out and bought something else. Here that type of activity for the most part has come to a screeching halt.
 
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You really wonder how many honest people applied for loans...My bro. the banker used to say that in America it was considered honorable, even necessary, to lie to your banker and your tax man. He turned down many a loan for lying to him without ever letting the borrower know they got caught.

The Countrywide scandel found a number of homes bought by the same person and all the loans were for owner occupied property...up to 5 houses. How many hundreds of mortgage frauds haven't been caught?

One other question. If a "bubble" can apply to tulip bulbs (1636), The Mississippi Company (1719), South Seas Trading Co. (1720), Treasury Bonds (1792), Wildcat Banks (1837), Railroad Mania (1847-1857) [10 years!], Stocks on margin (1929); U. S. Oil Boom (1973-1986); & The Tech Wreck of 2000;then why can't it apply to Real Estate? In fact, the Chicago Bubble saw land in Downtown Chicago selling for $6 a Square foot in 1850.... inflation adjust that to current prices and you could argue it was a bargain couldn't you? In fact, in its day it was impossibly high. and it crashed to near unsalable.

Boom, Bust; Bubble; Balloon; Irrational Exuberance; same old same. A Rose is a Rose
 
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