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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Denial finally coming to an end?

"Fears of a potential housing price collapse are greatest on the West Coast, where 52 percent of consumers believe a housing bubble burst is likely, a survey released Thursday shows."

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Fears Mount Over Possible Housing Price Collapse

Feb 1, 2007 10:55 am US/Pacific

(CBS) COSTA MESA Fears of a potential housing price collapse are greatest on the West Coast, where 52 percent of consumers believe a housing bubble burst is likely, a survey released Thursday shows.

Nearly half of all American consumers, 47 percent, say a housing price crash is likely in their local real estate market within the next three years, according to a survey from Costa Mesa-based Experian and Gallup.

http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_032140306.html
 
That graph would make a good relationship/marriage chart for hollywood actors:rof:
 
I have frequently said that I am not too worried about localized housing bubbles. What happens in San Diego doesn't give me too much worry. What happens in Las Vegas will probably not be felt in Joplin (even though the town was once known as Little Chicago because it was halfway and pretty loose). What does worry me is if problems in housing become big enough that they start to affect the general economy. Falling house prices are of little concern if you plan on staying in your home... so long as you have a job. At first, the main evidence for an effect on the economy was from builders stock prices and construction employment. Now, there is starting to be some evidence of a larger economic fall out.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/ContrarianChronicles/HowHousingMaskedAWeakEconomy.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0

This is just one of several pieces I've seen lately that provide some cause for concern.
 
I have frequently said that I am not too worried about localized housing bubbles. What happens in San Diego doesn't give me too much worry. What happens in Las Vegas will probably not be felt in Joplin (even though the town was once known as Little Chicago because it was halfway and pretty loose). What does worry me is if problems in housing become big enough that they start to affect the general economy. Falling house prices are of little concern if you plan on staying in your home... so long as you have a job. At first, the main evidence for an effect on the economy was from builders stock prices and construction employment. Now, there is starting to be some evidence of a larger economic fall out.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/ContrarianChronicles/HowHousingMaskedAWeakEconomy.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0

This is just one of several pieces I've seen lately that provide some cause for concern.
Lets see if this article makes you a little more worried or not. Only 9% of economist agree that the housing crunch is over, the rest are expecting to see more and believe it is the wild card on the economy
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2007-02-04-housing-econ-usat_x.htm
Most agree: Housing crunch isn't over yet
Updated 2/4/2007 11:32 PM ET E-mail |

By Barbara Hagenbaugh, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Housing is proving to be one of the biggest wild cards in the economy in 2007 as analysts are deeply divided about whether the worst in the downturn is over or there is much more pain to go.
Only 9% of economists say the housing decline ended in 2006, according to a USA TODAY survey of 55 economists taken Jan. 18-24. Another 42% said the downturn will end in the first half of the year, and 45% said housing will bottom out in the second half.

"This is one of those hot-button issues," says Christopher Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi. He estimates the downturn ended last year. "I don't know why people are so pessimistic."

When housing bottoms out is key for the economy. Thus far, the fallout has been small. The economy grew at a faster pace in 2006 than in 2005 even though sales of previously owned homes fell 8.2%, the biggest drop in 17 years, the National Association of Realtors says.

But the economy may not be able to shrug off further declines, A.G. Edwards & Sons chief economist Gary Thayer says. Lower energy prices and a strong job market have thus far helped consumers weather the housing downturn. But going forward, those two factors may not be big enough to offset further weakening, Thayer says.

"Seeing things stabilize and hearing reports that housing is stabilizing is good for consumer confidence," he says.

The NAR's index of pending home sales, which is adjusted for seasonal variations, rose in December at the fastest pace since March 2004. The level of unsold homes on the market appeared to have peaked in July, the group says.

But Wachovia senior economist Mark Vitner says although recent housing data have been upbeat, they have been skewed by warmer-than-usual weather.

"That brought out a few more buyers and allowed for more building in the Northeast," he says. Vitner says the warm weather "pulled sales forward." Come spring, housing activity will be slower than normal, he says.

"I haven't met a home builder yet who thinks things have bottomed out," he says.

Economist Tucker Hart Adams says the housing market won't stabilize in 2007. The combination of resetting adjustable-rate mortgages, homeowners unable to keep up with payments on so-called exotic mortgages such as interest-only loans, and other debt will lead to higher foreclosure rates and more homes on the market, she says. "It's really optimistic to think that it just took a little adjustment and everything is fine," she says. "It's one time I would like to be wrong."

and this another worrisome article:
http://users2.wsj.com/lmda/do/check...4480990297820.html% 3Fmod=todays_us_page_one
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Vacant Homes For Sale Cloud Economic Hopes
By Michael Corkery
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Amid brightening hopes that the U.S. housing market is stabilizing, some economists are zeroing in on a piece of data that could augur badly for the consensus view: the homeowner vacancy rate.

That figure, an often-overlooked measure of how many homes for sale in the country are empty, has climbed to its highest level since the Census Bureau began tracking it four decades ago. Last week, the bureau said that in the final three months of 2006 there were about 2.1 million vacant homes for sale.

That brought the national homeowner vacancy rate to 2.7%, up from 2.0% a year ...
 
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I have frequently said that I am not too worried about localized housing bubbles. What happens in San Diego doesn't give me too much worry. What happens in Las Vegas will probably not be felt in Joplin (even though the town was once known as Little Chicago because it was halfway and pretty loose). What does worry me is if problems in housing become big enough that they start to affect the general economy. Falling house prices are of little concern if you plan on staying in your home... so long as you have a job. At first, the main evidence for an effect on the economy was from builders stock prices and construction employment. Now, there is starting to be some evidence of a larger economic fall out.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/ContrarianChronicles/HowHousingMaskedAWeakEconomy.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0

This is just one of several pieces I've seen lately that provide some cause for concern.
Steve, I believe the information that the national economy is being influenced by equity withdrawal (cash out refinance) is old news. As long as house prices were increasing, no problem. Job growth in real estate related industries also has been known to have contributed significantly to the economic recovery. All of the above has been propelled by loose credit and credit availability. Now the article is acknowledging that credit conditions are tightening and credit availability is being reduced (subprime).

So now all that is going to affect real estate nationally and the economy? To a very large degree? It did on the way up so why wouldn't that cause the problem to occur on the way down?

The other time bomb is the financial markets that get caught holding the bag on CDOs and RMBs. Not every mortgage will default or even to double-digit levels for the total. But, if enough do, that can cause a shift in the risk premium that raises interest rates on all mortgages, significantly. ARMs resets are coming this year for nearly $1 trillion. Problem? Unknown problem?

One other phenomena to watch is the the spread in basis points on the quality of bonds. The spread is rather narrow. Investors have chased yields pushing down the risk premium, narrowing the spread across the spectrum.
 
The other time bomb is the financial markets that get caught holding the bag....

The main reason I posted the article was this gem:

In 2000, banks were busy buying brokerage firms, particularly those of a tech bent, such as Montgomery Securities and Robertson Stephens. In past cycles, they wanted to lend to leveraged-buyout artists, and before that there were "oil patch" loans, etc. Banks have an uncanny ability to pour capital into the wrong place at the wrong time. Bottom line: Wherever they are busy making acquisitions will be the source of problems in the next two years.
 
Up until now, a lot of discussion on the bubble has been about builders. Like this:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/16630216.htm

Now, we are starting to see more and more talk about mortgage brokers. I suspect that MB's are kind of like appraisers and real estate agents... the best ones will survive and possibly even thrive in the current market. Lots of the fly-by-nighters will be gone by tomorrow night.

Of course, the sub-prime market is a world of its own. I have a hard time understanding how many of them will be able to survive in this climate.
 
Many layoffs coming in housing, economists say

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/many-layoffs-coming-housing-economists/story.aspx?guid=%7B102B585B%2D9CC4%2D49B5%2D954B%2D5706815027D7%7D

Many layoffs coming in housing, economists say

By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
Last Update: 2:26 PM ET Feb 6, 2007


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - The home-building industry collapsed in 2006, but surprisingly few workers lost their jobs, revised government data show. That could change this year, economists said.

Between December 2005 and December 2006, the number of building permits for new homes plunged 23.5%, while spending on residential construction projects fell by 12.4%. But over that time, employment in residential construction fell by just 1.4% from 3.38 million to 3.34 million.

Two economists think construction employment will plunge this year as many of the homes started last year are finished. It typically takes six months for a new home to go from the groundbreaking to the final steps of construction. The latest data show 1.26 million homes were still under construction in December.

"What it means is that we have a steeper cliff to fall off from," wrote David Rosenberg, chief North American economist for Merrill Lynch, in a research note.

"We are doubtful, however, the gross job losses tied to the housing cycle are any more than one-third complete," he wrote. He's looking for losses to "easily exceed a half million."

Rosenberg estimates that employment in residential construction will fall about 20% in 2007, or about 600,000 jobs. In essence, the number of jobs in home-building will return to 2002 levels as the pace of home building does.

In addition, of some 3 million manufacturing jobs tied directly to housing, about 10% will disappear, Rosenberg estimated.

All told, that's about 900,000 jobs likely to be lost this year, and it doesn't include a large number of threatened jobs in real estate, mortgage banking and other housing-related fields.
 
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