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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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New Century's swift rise

http://www.realestatejournal.com/buysell/mortgages/20070313-hagerty.html?rejpartner=mktw

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New Century's swift rise and fall illuminates how Wall Street investment banks such as Morgan Stanley and hedge funds awash in cash helped fuel a binge in subprime lending that prolonged the housing boom. The lenders made themselves vulnerable by relying heavily on outside mortgage brokers and gunning for growth even as the boom faded. The Wall Street banks supplied the money to keep them on a roll, readily gobbling up loans and turning them into securities that global investors were avid to put into their portfolios.
 
Who Loses When Subprime Loans go Bad

SUBPRIME MELTDOWN
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Here's how it's supposed to work
An individual takes out a mortgage from an originator. The originator sells the mortgage to a bank, which repackages the loan with others into mortgage-backed securities it sells to investors, shifting risk to others. The bank might also take "insurance" against the default of its subprime loans by entering a credit default swap. When defaults are low, lots of people win. Originators and banks make healthy profits and investors enjoy good returns on the bonds and derivatives tied to the loans. The only losers are those people betting on higher defaults.
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Mortgage originators
When subprime loans start to default, mortgage originators such as New Century and Fremont are the biggest losers. They have to set more money aside for defaults, cutting into their profits. When loans go bad immediately -- and many did last year, as increasingly risky borrowers were given loans -- originators must buy those loans back from the banks that had planned to sell them as securities, another hit to their profits and balance sheets. Banks also lose interest in buying subprime loans, as demand for mortgage-backed securities dries up. Originators are thus left with bad loans and less cash to make new loans. Banks are also reluctant to loan them up-front money to give to borrowers. This toxic cocktail of bad debts and shrinking cash flow has resulted in the shuttering of more than two dozen subprime lenders in recent months.

Commercial banks and Wall Street firms
Banks such as Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan and Merrill Lynch, seem likely to fare better, as they are typically bigger and have more diversified operations. But as prices for mortgage-backed securities have fallen, they have been less able to repackage the subprime loans they get from originators -- so-called "slicing and dicing" -- and resell them for a hefty profit. They have forced some originators to buy back bad loans. But some originators have gone bankrupt or are unable to buy the loans back, leaving the bigger banks stuck with them. The toll on the big banks won't be fully known until they report earnings, though most analysts don't expect they'll suffer much.

Mortgage-Backed Securities
These are pools of mortgage loans divided up and resold as bonds to other investors. Banks sell them to offload risk, and investors buy them because they can be attractive investments, especially those backed by subprime loans, which have higher interest rates. But when problems bubble up, the highest-yielding securities are the first to falter. Hedge funds, insurance firms and even some of the big banks involved in buying subprime loans may have snapped up these bonds and could be at risk. No big losers have yet come forward. If problems in the mortgage industry worsen, higher-rated bonds could suffer, as well, potentially affecting more investors and drying up liquidity in the market.

Credit default swaps
These let mortgage holders buy insurance against defaults of riskier mortgages. The buyer pays the seller a regular payment, and the seller agrees to cover in the event of a default. Banks, hedge funds, insurance companies and other investors have taken both sides of this trade, betting for or against subprime defaults. No big losers in this trade have surfaced yet, but hedge funds such as Paulson & Co. and Balestra Capital have already reported big winnings by betting on higher defaults. Another way to bet on defaults is to invest in the ABX index, which measures the cost of CDSs on 20 subprime bonds. As the cost of insuring mortgage-bond holders against default risk has risen, the value of CDSs have fallen, and the ABX index has sunk, hurting investors betting that easy credit and low defaults would continue.
 
Mortgage applications have increased over the past week..so what.

Mortgage Applications rose last week, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. Applications are one thing; approvals are another. Collateral values are dropping and Bank Regulators have just been loosed from their cages. Here's how it works: Real Estate loans go bad. Politicians call Bank Regulators in on the carpet, demanding to know how this happened. Bank Regulators dance while their feet get shot at, hat in hand, then return to their fiefdoms unable to sit like they used to be able to. They decide they don't like that experience, feel they have a mandate to catch and stop bad loans, and instantly become overzealous. They schedule more frequent exams, tighten arbitrary standards, and rate good loans as substandard, and substandard loans as doubtful, and force writeoffs all over the banking world. Bank earnings take a hit -- not from actual bad loan losses, but from subjective downgrading by bank examiners which requires transferring earnings into provisions for possible loan losses expense. Fearful any good loan has too high a chance of being rated as a bad loan by a bank examiner, banks put the brakes on lending. This causes a credit crunch, and sends an already weakening economy into the tank. Once the recession is publicized, public outcry demands solutions from politicians. Politicians then tell regulators to back off, after it is too late, demanding they let money flow again through the bank lending function. Where we are now, is the start of a coming credit crunch. First the subprime lenders are getting hit. Next will be all lenders. The problem is one of values. Real Estate stopped going up. The ponzi home mortgage ATM scheme of Artificial Economics has stopped. As long as values increased, everything was fine. The house of cards is now crumbling.
 
The problem is one of values. Real Estate stopped going up. The ponzi home mortgage ATM scheme of Artificial Economics has stopped. As long as values increased, everything was fine. The house of cards is now crumbling.

So, the market got ahead of itself? And the sky will fall....for ever...or just a year or so? The homes have value, the country is growing, people have jobs, income is growing. They still need and want a place to live, a place of there own.

The slack in the string will be pulled out in a year or two, assuming the employment numbers hold. I'm not a bubbleist unless and until employment collapses. In the mean time, parts of CA and FL, etc. Enjoy the mini bubbles. You can always move, but don't expect reciprocity:rof:
 
To the extent a home has intrinsic value as shelter (and we can all agree on that), one measure of that value is its rental value. Now it's logical that a homebuyer will pay extra for the right to benefit when the markets increase, but how much of a premium should that be?

Right now an "average" $550,000 home in the SD region rents for about $1800/month. Of that $1800, the landlord has to pay taxes, insurance and other expenses, so they aren't netting anywhere near the $1800. By contrast, a $500,000 mortgage loan at 6% has a payment of just under $3,000, not counting taxes and insurance and expenses. That's with a borrower who has put 10% down on the purchase.

Yes, ownership should bring a premium, but these sale prices have a long way to go before that premium is reasonable relative to these rents.
 
So, the market got ahead of itself? And the sky will fall....for ever...or just a year or so?
Yes, the market got ahead of itself but the sky will not fall, the market will fall and not for ever but for as much is needed to get to its real value.
The homes have value, the country is growing, people have jobs, income is growing.
yes,the homes have value but the value has to be a real value, a fundamental value, an economical value not a speculative or artificial value created by sub prime borrowing.
They still need and want a place to live, a place of there own
This is the way it has been all the times but if they can afford it based on their real income and their real ability to pay for the mortgage not based on teasing rates and the fantasy that the prices will go up.
 
PIMCO bond manager bets defaults will spread, home prices fall

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&refer=us&sid=aLx3Rj4SPBd0

March 16 (Bloomberg) -- Pacific Investment Management Co., the fund manager that first predicted a collapse in U.S. home prices almost two years ago, said today that losses on subprime mortgage will spread to other ``aggressively underwritten'' loans.

``It is likely that the poor performance we have seen in subprime loans will carry over to some degree into the most aggressively underwritten loans in the Alt-A and possibly Jumbo prime markets,'' Pimco said in the report. ``We do not believe that prime loans will be materially affected.''

Alt-A represents $1.14 trillion in loans or 12 percent of all mortgages, Bear Stearns Cos. said in a presentation last week. Subprime comprises 15.2 percent, or $1.45 trillion and jumbo mortgages are $1.41 trillion, or 14.8 percent.

Pimco's comments dovetail with those of former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who said this week he expects fallout from rising subprime mortgage defaults to spread to other parts of the economy, especially if home prices decline. Pimco said today that the housing price decline may reduce gross domestic product, the value of all U.S. goods and services, by 1 percent this year.

Pimco forecast U.S. median home prices will fall by 4 to 5 percent this year. The median home price for existing homes was down 8.5 percent in January from a peak of $230,000 in July, according to the National Association of Realtors.

``Due to the multiplier effect that a slowdown has on consumption, it is likely that the impact on the economy will be even more substantial,'' the company said in its report.

``We believe that we are in the middle of a downturn, not at the end, and that the problems created by expensive housing, overstretched consumer finance and years of Fed tightening have yet to take their full toll on the U.S. housing market,'' Pimco analysts said in a report.
 
MBIA, Ambac Credit-Default Swaps Surge on Subprime Concerns

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&refer=bond&sid=aEhAvjJfRb5o

March 16 (Bloomberg) -- The perceived credit risk of MBIA Inc. and Ambac Assurance Corp., the biggest bond insurers, surged this week on concern rising defaults by subprime mortgage borrowers may mean losses for the firms.

Credit-default contracts based on $10 million of Armonk, New York-based MBIA bonds rose $27,500 to $49,500, according to CMA Datavision in London. Contracts on New York-based Ambac's debt climbed $8,500 to $30,500 this week.

Delinquencies among subprime mortgage borrowers hit a four- year high in the fourth quarter, the Washington-based Mortgage Bankers Association said on March 13. The trade group said 13.33 percent of subprime borrowers were behind on payments, the highest rate since the third quarter of 2002. Subprime mortgages are given to borrowers with poor or limited credit histories.

``There's a fear that these guys have a large amount of mortgage exposure, and particularly in the subprime sector,'' said John Paulsen, a credit strategist at RBS Greenwich Capital Markets in Greenwich, Connecticut.
 
CA is a distortion field:shrug:
Yes, Roger, California is distorting the national numbers because it is that large representing total loans, particularly jumbo loans, subprime loans, neg am loans, etc.

Recent data points to an outbound migration of population that exceeds inbound migration for San Diego county. These may be mainly renters or they could be victims of short sales and foreclosures.

Two of my clients (mortgage brokers) are themselves victims of ARM resets and both have gone the short sale route. One is moving out because his business has dried up. Last year, he said he was doing 15 deals a month. The only deal he had for March was killed with tightening the LTV to 95%. And on certain loan products, credit scores were raised to 680 minimum. The credit crunch is real here for people who don't have $25,000 to put down when buying an entry level home.

As George Hatch points out for renting a house versus buying a house, it strictly favors renting on a cash flow basis in SD county.

I believe the market conditions and delinquent mortgages here are going to get substantially worse going forward.
 
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