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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Building permit data comparison for the month of June, ytd this year vs. last year.

Doesn't really look like a housing bubble bursting around here... at least not yet.
 

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Building permit data comparison for the month of June, ytd this year vs. last year.

Doesn't really look like a housing bubble bursting around here... at least not yet.
SFR permits down nearly 7% and SFR additions down 24%; what part of that does not look like a bust in residential housing to you?
 
SFR permits down nearly 7% and SFR additions down 24%; what part of that does not look like a bust in residential housing to you?

The part where the dollar vbolume in new SFR permits is nearly equal to this time last year... in spite of the wettest spring on record. And, the part where new money being spent on additions to residences shows a +14.77 percent difference from last year.

This is a perfect example of how statistics can lead you down a blind alley.

The difference between 101 SFR permits listed last year and the 94 permits listed so far this year would be slightly stastically significant... until you take the weather into account. Once you do that, it looks to me like we are considerably better off than we were last year.

To hear posters on this thread, you would believe the sky is falling. (Well, it actually is in NW Arkansas and parts of Florida, but that's only part of the story.) If you listen to posters here, you would think that anyone in the construction industry better be applying for welfare. But, the dollar volume of new construction activity shows a percentage difference of +29.47 percent over last year in Joplin.

We have a cooling in this market area, no doubt. Especially when the MSA is taken as a whole (stats given are only for the city proper). However, a cooling or correction does not necessarily mean the sky is falling... could be a buying opportunity, unlike the bubble burst in tech stocks, where buying opportunities were far and few bewteen.
 
Dollar volume of new SFR is down 6.7%, nearly identical to the drop in permits. Most all of the increase in dollar volume is due to the 162% increase in new business construction. (A good sign for the future, but hardly part of the residential market.) The increase in dollar volume for SFR additions likely means people who would normally move to a larger house are staying put due to the market conditions.

It may well be a buying opportunity. People who bought stocks after the tech crash have done well now. The statistics don't prove the market there is going down the tubes, but they certainly don't offer much indication that it is not, as was inferred by your post.
 
Steve,

I am not sure the relevancy of the data you posted to the residential housing market, overall.

How about doing a comparative analysis for single family sales, 2006 versus 2007? Both sales volume and distribution of sales price (not just median or average).

One thing for sure, just looking at your market only and projecting that on any other market may not be credible. :flowers:
 
Dollar volume of new SFR is down 6.7%, nearly identical to the drop in permits. Most all of the increase in dollar volume is due to the 162% increase in new business construction. (A good sign for the future, but hardly part of the residential market.) The increase in dollar volume for SFR additions likely means people who would normally move to a larger house are staying put due to the market conditions.

It may well be a buying opportunity. People who bought stocks after the tech crash have done well now. The statistics don't prove the market there is going down the tubes, but they certainly don't offer much indication that it is not, as was inferred by your post.

I would not draw any of the conclusions from your first paragraph. Considering the weather here since March, the SFR figures could actually indicate an increase in new housing demand.

People who bought stocks in any of the tech companies no longer in existence lost everything they put into it... I doubt if the same thing will happen to people who buy houses in this market.

The building permits posted are only one very small bit of data. By themselves they don't prove anything.

One thing for sure, just looking at your market only and projecting that on any other market may not be credible.
Exactly. Similarly, you cannot project what is happening in Las Vegas on this market. Housing can be effected by larger demographic and economic shifts on a national level, but, for the most part, the single family residential market is local in nature.

As I said before, the difference in SFR permits might be slightly statistically significant, indicating a very minor downturn, but only if not taken together with other data, including the increase in other permit activity.

The reason I posted this was not to try and prove anything about my market or any other... it was to try and move readers of this thread into thiinking beyond national housing stats posted by varios entities.

How about doing a comparative analysis for single family sales, 2006 versus 2007? Both sales volume and distribution of sales price (not just median or average).
I don't have time for that kind of comparative analysis right now. However, I posted some similar information a while back. It seems to be indicating a stable to slightly decling housing market at this time.
 
Steve,

What is happening in the housing market is reflected across the United States. Some markets are small or not contributory to any significant degree on a national level. That would be the state of Missouri in general and Joplin specifically. What happens there has no consequence on Wall Street or in California. However, what happens in California can affect Wall Street and even Missouri, California having that large of an economy.

House price appreciation, the level of new housing created and ARM financing were not part of your area or state to any significant degree. Simply put, you are the tail. The tail does not wag the dog.

California leads the nation in the total number of foreclosures, for example. That has a real impact on Wall Street. It has an impact on the interest rates and credit conditions across the United States.

So to me, it is very interesting to look at the total picture of housing of the U.S. market and look where the major contribution comes from. Just follow the money. :flowers:
 
Consumers are struggling

Analysis: Signs of household stress are all around

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Just when it appeared the U.S. economy would pick up steam after a year-long soft patch, the U.S. consumer is running out of gas.

The signs of stress are all around.

Prices are rising, but incomes and wealth aren't. With most households already overburdened with debt, consumers are being squeezed. There's only one thing to do, even though it goes against every fiber of their being: Cut back on expenses.

Realtors are feeling it, retailers are feeling it, and so are automakers and bankers.

Consider this news from Tuesday:
  • Sales at retail chain stores continued to weaken in the last week of June. The International Council of Shopping Centers index barely grew week-over-week, while the Redbook index fell to a cyclical low, with same-store sales up just 1.2% compared with a year earlier.
  • Vehicle sales declined for the sixth straight month in June. In the past six years, sales have been weaker on only two occasions. At the same time, the automakers have stepped up their production, setting up the industry for another round of layoffs and production cutbacks.
  • Home sales fell again in May. The National Association of Realtors said the number of contracts signed on previously owned homes fell 3.5% to the lowest level since the recession.
  • More consumers fell behind on their debt payments in the first quarter. The percentage of loans that were 30-days past due rose to the highest level since the recession of 2001.
The news in prior weeks hadn't been much better:
  • Home prices fell 2.7% in the past year, the biggest decline in 16 years. A 2.7% drop may not seem like much, but considering how hard it is to get homeowners to accept less than they paid for their house, it's startling.
  • Homebuilders got even more depressed about their industry. The housing market index fell to a 16-year low.
  • Delinquencies on home mortgages are rising, especially for subprime loans. Unfortunately, delinquencies and foreclosures are also rising for borrowers with good credit who took out adjustable-rate loans. That's unheard of when the unemployment rate is under 5%.
  • The stock market, after a nice run up from March to May, has been flat over the past seven weeks.
  • Consumer prices rose 0.5% in May, the fastest monthly increase in 17 months.
  • Real take-home income (that is, adjusted for inflation) has fallen two months in a row, after a big boost in the first quarter that mostly went to the ultra-rich who received mammoth bonuses and stock options. For the rest of us, the picture is a well-known story around kitchen tables: The median hourly wage, adjusted for inflation, has fallen four months in a row through May and was up just 1.1% in the past year.
  • The personal savings rate was negative for the 26th consecutive month in May.
 
Wow - does that mean the neighborhood analysis should be marked as declining - or is it a price adjustment and prices are "stable".

jbs
 
Watch AZ, IF they post ALL the Foreclosure all at once, going to make FL. Look like a housing BOOM!. 320 one neighborhood, in a very small town,
 
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