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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Pinal County AZ exceeds .003 Almost .006

In Nevada one in every 175 household is in foreclosure and in California one in every 704 homes.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_gilbert&sid=a_gAAs0G1rKo

In Nevada, lenders have foreclosed on the mortgages of one in every 175 households, according to figures released yesterday by Irvine, California-based data company RealtyTrac. The total number of U.S. properties in foreclosure -- typically those more than 90 days behind in mortgage payments -- climbed 87 percent in June from a year earlier, reaching one per 704.
 
And yet, we have some evidence that it may not be leading the general economy into recession.

http://www.inman.com/hstory.aspx?ID=63870

Our grading system of the economy and the housing market is a "bell curve" model, with statistics at an all-time high receiving an "A," statistics near the long-term average receiving a "C," and the worst times ever receiving an "F." In this grading system, it is OK to be a "C" student.

Emphasis added.
 
Hey I like the name Bell Curve , your not talking about my weight are you?
 
Recessions are led in to and out off by Real Estate. To say that there is no recession on the horizon is the reason I did not send my kids to a public school to Learn about Bubbles the whale.
 
Hey I like the name Bell Curve , your not talking about my weight are you?
The only Bell Curve I remember was a college Physics classmate named Barbara Bell....I remember following her up the hall and thinking "Simple Harmonic Motion"...er, something like that :)
 
Here's the tip of the Iceberg.........

July 16, 2007

FBI inquiry involves area home sales

By Francis X. Gilpin
fxgilpin@gannett.com

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070716/NEWS/707160308/1001
The FBI is investigating a convicted Florida cocaine dealer whose alleged mortgage frauds may involve homes throughout the Montgomery area and may leave investors with more than $1 million in potential losses.

Federal agents received court permission earlier this year to search the offices of a real estate appraisal firm and a real estate brokerage in Montgomery for records of home sales involving Orlando businessman Robert B. Guest Jr.

Acting through several companies, Guest is suspected of buying 100 homes, mostly in Montgomery, obtaining misleading appraisals and then reselling the rental properties within six months at two or three times the price he paid, according to a sworn statement by FBI agent Christopher P. LaCarter.

Efforts to contact Guest were unsuccessful.
Last winter, the FBI searched the offices of Jerri Baker Real Estate LLC as well as Betts Realty and Appraisal Service, both of which handled some aspects of the Guest transactions.

Ira M. Betts Jr., a state-certified real estate appraiser, didn't return calls concerning the FBI search. Ronald W. Wise, a Montgomery attorney who represents Jerri Baker, said federal prosecutors have assured him that his client isn't a target of their investigation.

"She hasn't done anything wrong," Wise said. "They just wanted records, and when this whole thing is done, her name will be cleared."

Yet Baker said she has been subjected to rumors about her business that she believes were spread by other local real-estate professionals angling for a competitive advantage.

"It's been such a cruel, ridiculous experience," Baker said.
Please do read the whole story!!!
 
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Hey I like the name Bell Curve , your not talking about my weight are you?

The real bears in this market believe housing will lead the economy into recession. Thus far, these bears are wrong. The housing market peaked in June 2005, and two years into the downturn, economic growth is still positive. Unemployment remains very low, at only 4.5 percent, and consumers have started ramping up their credit card debt again

This article reminds me of man who was jumping from the 10th story of a building and on the way down ,when he got to the 5th floor , someone asked him how was he feeling, he said "so far so good".
 
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And the DOW is at $13,952.53 within the last twenty minutes. Based, not on rampant speculation but investors functional belief on the state of the economy... with earnings reports to come out today, we may (or may not) break $14k.
 
And the DOW is at $13,952.53 within the last twenty minutes. Based, not on rampant speculation but investors functional belief on the state of the economy... with earnings reports to come out today, we may (or may not) break $14k.
The stock market indices (DOW, S & P) are now back to the levels they were in 2000, before the decline, correction, or bubble busting, whatever you would like to call it. Now, inflation adjusted, it appears to me that the stock market may not correlate well with the economy at present or future.

However, you can look at the individual sectors of the market, like the national home builders, Home Depot, etc., and they paint a very different picture for the economy.

The market has been responding to a very weak and cheap dollar. Any international company has seen its stock price soar. That goes along with the dollar denominated product, services, or commodities. It does not mean that our economy is doing well. It means relative to the rest of the world visa-vie our currency, we are cheap and since we have flooded the world with dollars, investors are exchanging them for our goods and services.

Since we import more than we export, that is inflationary. To the degree foreigners are buying goods and services that we buy locally, they will inflate the price.

Housing has been stung by the subprime fallout for investors. They ain't willing to take on that risk level at the same price so that either reduces credit availability outright or makes it more expensive with higher mortgage interest rates.

Net, net, stagflation with a bias to rising mortgage interest rates, flat to declining home prices.
 
The real cause.

I've said before that it looks like the real cause of the bubble burst, in those places where it is bursting, seems to usually be a combination of speculation, over-appraisal, and outright fraud. In much of the country there does not seem to be a bubble burst at all... instead, it looks like a correction or cooling market. Since these markets are naturally cyclical, I wouldn't worry too much about that part of it. In only a few places, such as parts of Michigan is there an apparent bubble burst in places where there never was a hot run-up; and those seem to be caused by underlying economic problems. However, the real problem will be if the housing sector problems spill over into the larger economy to such an extent that they lead us into recession, or worse. It seems that I overlooked one particular problem that has led to some of the housing industry's current difficulties, which is new ways of investing and financing that were not common in the past, are little understood by the general public, or even by investors (for example, derivatives), and barely regulated, if regulated at all.

And, along with that...

It seems that I missed one of the causes, which is inept government regulation. Lack of regulation is some areas that probably should be regulated... way too much regulation in other (most) areas... and regulation that doesn't make sense in many areas of the housing market. More evidence comes from this opinion:

http://www.inman.com/hstory.aspx?ID=63875

The real housing-market trouble today has been caused by Wall Street's ability to distribute risk beyond Main Street's ability to tolerate temptation and foreclosures.
 
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