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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Saw this in the local news a couple of days ago, but the Joplin Globe didn't put the story on line, so I had to scan it... sorry for the quality.

Note that house prices are increasing everywhere except the blue. Housing markets are local!

Now, that is not polyanna, and it does not mean we don't have a problem. We have a very big problem. It just does not make any sense at all to look at housing statistics on a national level in a situation like this.

That being said, looking at the securities markets and other factors, such as money supply, interest rates, unemployment, etc. on a national level is completely logical.
Quoting the OFHEO is like quoting NAR. Since the OFHEO is limited to Fannie and Frediie conforming loans and includes refinancing, that data is tainted and not inclusive. The data also seems to neglect new homes sales trend and the fact that all national builders report the same thing; prices going down.

Parts of the midwest, like the farm belt, really do not reflect national trends.
 
Some news from the Reapers hero...Roubini is an optimist..

The U.S. Growth Weakness Will Persist in the Second Half of 2007...And Financial Markets Are Signaling a Credit Crunch Ahead
Nouriel Roubini | Jul 26, 2007 The first estimate of US Q2 GDP growth will be out tomorrow Friday. After a dismal "growth recession" in Q1 (0.7%) Q2 growth is expected by the consensus to recover towards 3% (plus or minus a 0.3%) as net exports, inventories and capex spending may have partially recovered in Q2 in spite of a sharp slowdown of private consumption and a continued severe housing recession. Even if Q2 growth were to turn out to be around 3% the average for Q1 and Q2 would be a mediocre and weak 1.8%, well below potential growth.

But since we are already in Q3 the main issue is now what will growth be in the second half of 2007. I see many elements of economic weakness ahead.

First, the housing recession is getting worse, rather than better. Thus, housing will continue to be a significantly negative contributor to growth. I predicted a year ago this will be the worst US housing recession in the last five decades and that real home prices will sharply fall for three years: all indicators on housing - including the latest new and exisiting home sales - suggest that the housing recession is extremely severe as sharply worsening. Also, home prices are falling and expected to fall throughout 2008. For the first time since the Great Depression of the 1930s home prices will fall this year at the national level on a year over year basis. And the glut of unsold new and existing homes will worsen well into 2008 as: demand from potential subprime borrowers sharply falls given the credit crunch in mortgages; rising foreclosures will increase the excess supply of homes in the market; $1.5 trillion of resetting ARMs will lead many homeowners under stress to sell their homes; condo-flippers and others who bought homes for speculative reasons will dump them in a falling market to minimize their capital losses.

Second, as discussed in much more detail in a previous blog of mine, private consumption (representing 70% of GDP) is likely to grow very slowly in H2 continuing its Q2 slowdown. Weakness in private consumption will be driven by a consumer that is saving-less and debt burdened and who is experiencing rising oil and gasoline prices, falling home values (as home prices are falling), falling home equity withdrawal, a credit crunch in the mortgage market, rising consumer interest rates, falling consumer confidence and a weaker labor market than what the official numbers suggest. Indeed, recent data on weekly chain store retail sales in July suggest that the softness of retail sales in June is persisting in July with sales falling in the latest reporting week. Thus, I expect that real private consumption will grow less than 2% in H2.

Third, real investment (in software and equipment) by the private sector will remain weak. The alleged recovery of capex spending in Q2 - after a dismal Q4 2006 and Q1 2007 - is fizzling out: today's figure on capital goods order - falling in June for a second month in a row - suggest that even in Q2 the alleged recovery in corporate capital investment was more modest than the consensus expected. And with housing, the auto sector and several other housing-related sectors already in a recession, it is highly unlikely that capex spending will be strong in H2. Why should firm invest a lot if final consumption demand is slowing down?


Fourth, accumulation of inventories will provide a boost to growth in Q2 but they are likely to be a drag on growth in H2. Inventories can go up for two reasons, one positive and one negative. On the positive side, if firms are optimistic about future sales/demand they may accelerate output/production above demand to build inventories for future sales. But if demand is unexpectedly slowing below production, the built up of unsold inventories is bad news as it signals lower demand ahead and the need to cut production ahead. Thus, if I am correct that private consumption, housing and capex spending will be weak in H2, the current accumulation of inventories signals a build up of unsold goods that will trigger output adjustment and a reduction of inventories in H2.

Fifth, net exports are not likely to be - unlike Q2 - a positive contributor to growth in H2. With oil prices rising and expected to remain high for the rest of 2007, the improvement in the real trabe balance due to a weaker dollar may be swamped by high oil and other commodity prices increasing the import bill.
 
Here come the grim reaper

CLO market has almost shut down, experts say

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The market for Collateralized Loan Obligations has almost shut down in recent weeks, making loans for leveraged buyouts and corporate borrowing harder to sell, experts said Thursday.


CLOs are packages of leveraged loans that are sold by investment banks to hedge funds and other institutional investors. Roughly $100 billion of the vehicles were issued in 2006 and about $58 billion were sold in the first half of 2007, according to Steven Miller, managing director of Standard & Poor's Leveraged Commentary & Data.


The fast-growing market helped fuel the leveraged buyout boom in recent years, which in turn has been a major driver of stock market gains. However, that trend has stopped abruptly in recent weeks, Miller and others said.


"It's absolutely shut down for any new CLOs in the last two weeks," said Kingman Penniman, president of KDP Investment Advisors, an independent research firm focused on high-yield bonds and leverage loans.

Part of the problem is that many of the natural buyers of CLOs also bought Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDOs), KDP's Penniman said.
 
Economist: world is one hedge-fund collapse away from crisis

Subprime could create global crisis, economist say

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The problems in the U.S. subprime mortgage market could spiral out of control into a global financial crisis, economist Mark Zandi said Thursday.


With a "high level of angst" in the financial markets about who will take the losses from more than $1 trillion in risky mortgages, we could be just one hedge-fund collapse away from a global liquidity crisis, said Zandi, chief economist for Moody's Economy.com.

And it could spread. "Mounting mortgage delinquencies and defaults now pose the most serious threat to the global financial system and economy," Zandi said in his report.


"If there is a fault line in the global financial system, it runs through the U.S. housing and mortgage markets," he said.


Zandi's comments came as U.S. financial markets reeled from a growing credit crunch, centered not in the subprime arena, but in the leveraged corporate debt market.
 
Hey Greg does this make you feel better

Its only a 'normal' market.
The magnitude of the problem is nothing new.
Lots of towns have seen increased prices and steady sales.. I can name 5 or 6 maybe...nationwide.
:)
Foreclosures? What foreclosures? wannabuyacondo?
 
Hey Greg does this make you feel better

Its only a 'normal' market.
The magnitude of the problem is nothing new.
Lots of towns have seen increased prices and steady sales.. I can name 5 or 6 maybe...nationwide.
:)
Foreclosures? What foreclosures? wannabuyacondo?

Plenty in Florida:rof:
 
GNP over 3.4% growth in the last Quarter , wow , The government is a master at cooking the books.Do you believe we went from .6% growth to 3.4% in 90 days.That's a lot of Jets and Wheat.Please keep buying cheap Chinese products and don't forget to buy a house with no money down , it's a bargain.
 
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