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How about Sellers ordering preliminary UAD 3.6 to "beat the rush", via a bank?

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I know that a bank doing a Freddy/Fannie loan needs to send out their own 3.6 Appraiser, but AFAIK its possible and legal for a bank to send out their Appraiser to do a 3.6, and have a mortgage all ready approved before a Buyer appears, if that Buyer goes with that bank. And since all banks offer very close to same rates, and as they say you "marry the house, but date the rate" I think it could work, at least from my perspective as a Buyer.

Get a 3.6 done BEFORE even putting the house on the market, for a few reasons:

1)If 3.6 is as bad as everyone says, and full of bugs and maybe a shortage of Appraisers able/willing, it seems like something that should be taken care of before it has to be done under some deadline, and in the high drama that occurs after an Offer is made and accepted, with Contingencies.

2)Even if 3.6 doesn't end up being required once a Buyer appears, it seems like it would be a great selling point to be able to advertise as "Freddy/Fannie new UAD 3.6 completed, $555,000 approved by Main Street Bank", and that just like how the cost of a Smog Check is rolled into price of any used car for sale, ditto with fairly minor cost of Appraisal. It costs many Buyers close to $500 just to "tour" a house in person, in travel costs, lost valuable time, etc.
 
I know that a bank doing a Freddy/Fannie loan needs to send out their own 3.6 Appraiser, but AFAIK its possible and legal for a bank to send out their Appraiser to do a 3.6, and have a mortgage all ready approved before a Buyer appears, if that Buyer goes with that bank. And since all banks offer very close to same rates, and as they say you "marry the house, but date the rate" I think it could work, at least from my perspective as a Buyer.

Get a 3.6 done BEFORE even putting the house on the market, for a few reasons:

1)If 3.6 is as bad as everyone says, and full of bugs and maybe a shortage of Appraisers able/willing, it seems like something that should be taken care of before it has to be done under some deadline, and in the high drama that occurs after an Offer is made and accepted, with Contingencies.

2)Even if 3.6 doesn't end up being required once a Buyer appears, it seems like it would be a great selling point to be able to advertise as "Freddy/Fannie new UAD 3.6 completed, $555,000 approved by Main Street Bank", and that just like how the cost of a Smog Check is rolled into price of any used car for sale, ditto with fairly minor cost of Appraisal. It costs many Buyers close to $500 just to "tour" a house in person, in travel costs, lost valuable time, etc.
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There are a plethora of free online valuation services for a home value to give a seller or buyer a rough idea of a home's value. Not all purchases need appraisals now ( a WAIVER/ value acceptance is used instead of an appraisal for some transactions. )

If a buyer makes an offer on a home and it will be financed and it does need an appraisal, and a lender orders a UAD 3.6, then at that point the buyer would pay for it. That's the price of getting financing. A loan approval is highly tied to the borrower's income and credit, so it is the borrower who gets pre-approved, not the property. A borrower's income might qualify them for a 400k loan, and they have 100k to put down; that tops them out at 500k.

It does not cost a buyer close to $500 to tour a home. The borrower does not pay for the appraisal until their offer is accepted by the seller.

You presented a creative idea, and perhaps you have more ideas to come, but this one, imo, is not worth putting time or resources into.
 
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It does not cost a buyer close to $500 to tour a home. The borrower does not pay for the appraisal until their offer is accepted by the seller.

You presented a creative idea, and perhaps you have more ideas to come, but this one, imo, is not worth putting a lot of time or resources into.
I'm like many who are considering leaving high-priced area for cheaper "Flyover, USA" for a few reasons, and touring houses over a 1000 miles away will be over $500, and like many that is compounded because I'm at least open to several areas. For a serious "tour" AKA DIY inspection including attic, crawl-space, etc, $500 is about what a Union Contractor in SF Bay Area bills me as, not even including travel time, much less travel expense. And at about $500 for about 3 hours, I'd be in the lower range of "hourly billable rate" (not what I make but what company bills my time for for Change Orders, etc) in this area.

One of my problems with current system is on top of risking my valuable time to likely find out, once again, the pics in the listing are very misleading, I'm supposed to also be the one to risk a few hundred on an Appraisal and Inspection. I agree that for the most part, the Appraisal can be closely estimated, so it really the pro-Inspection that is more of risk for people that aren't DIY inspection savvy.

This idea I presented is just the central part of a larger idea for an app, for which I've written 20pg rough "work in progress" outline. Its basically to do to Real Estate transaction biz what Amazon did to retail, with about same $100 billion/year profit (but without the warehouses, etc, just an app).

I'll send you a direct message.
 
You presented a creative idea, and perhaps you have more ideas to come, but this one, imo, is not worth putting time or resources into.
Here is a back up idea, that addresses mostly the other 1/2 of Appraisals, the "comps" or "neighborhood". Unlike my 3.6 involved idea, this could be launched initially even with single transactions and involves no fancy software engineering, just a type of Social Media or plug and play off the shelf online forum application. But it could become well monetized, due to the value to Buyers of the information.

Can't figure out how to send Direct Messages on this forum.

Real Estate website might be called “RE DOX” or REDOX or RDOX.



It would be for mostly buyers to get info on RE they are interested in from a wild and wide open anonymous field of individual independent freelance “Reporters”. Info that they aren’t getting from their agents, for reasons, but mostly info the agent doesn’t know.



Some of this could be monetized, but much if not most info would be provided by Reporters for their own entertainment and to banter with others about the often provocative Reports. Lots of Reports would come from people “just trying to be helpful” and/or “save someone from making a terrible mistake”. I’ve gotten lots of great knowledgeable, honest, educational and professional level in depth answers just posting Zillow listings on 4Chan DIY and asking for specifics but also “any other comments?” But sometimes it takes a week or more, but mostly good feedback within 2 days or less. The responses run a solid 90% sober top-tier professional level (including follow up and additional questions by others for others) and only 10% snark.

Even for small towns under 3,000 population and out of the way dying rural areas I’ve always gotten first-person eyewitness feedback about the location from locals on 4Chan/DIY.



How might the website be monetized for the websites owners but just as importantly incentivize Reporters? Say I’m interested in specific info or “general comments” and would like to know “unk-unks”(Pentagon-ese for “unknown unknowns” AKA “things you don’t know you don’t know”) on a piece of RE. I’d create an anonymous account (because you might or might not want your new neighbors knowing who is asking what questions) and post maybe a $100, and maybe some questions. Reporters could then submit answers and even photos (no trespassing allowed, but private photos are generally allowed during Open Houses or private tours.) and if the answers sound legit, I’d release maybe $10 to their account. How might I know its not just some clown reporting what he thinks I want to hear, and he isn’t even in the country? Maybe they could also post a time stamped pic of at least that immediate area where the content of the pic also locks the time.

Payments could be dolled out incrementally for increased levels of information, with the same dynamic of a Private-Eye quid-pro-quo pumping a cagey, mercenary bartender for information. Such interactions themselves might provide entertainment and bring eyeballs the website, due to the often controversial aspects of the info. Would Buyers sometimes get intentionally burned with bad info, then publicly mocked? Sure, but the amounts would be low and “don’t spend anything you can’t afford to lose” and it would provide entertainment value, and even “bad info” would mostly in fact become real info of a sort. As they say in the Spy Biz, “no such thing as useless information” and disinfo can be the best info. “Eyes are the windows to soul” is a nice ad slogan for mascara, but I submit that “Lies are the windows to the soul”. What random things “just sorta happened” to someone doesn’t tell you much, but what lies they invent tell you exactly what they hold as important.



Much of this would be on the Honor System, at least at first, but thats OK because the amounts are small, and tiny compared to the value of the info to a buyer. Pretty much any question worth asking in an RE purchase would be worth paying for multiple Reports to help weed out misinfo. But very quickly Buyers and Reporters would be able to gain rank/reputation as good Buyers/Payers or Reporters. Lots of big websites, from old PirateBay, to “legit” ones like official corp owned SolidWorks peer-to-peer forum, run very well on the desire of users to gain rankings, clout, status and brownie points, even if they are only known by alias pen names on that website.



The website would take a % of funds being transferred, and if it gets big of course Ad revenue from 3rd parties, etc.



Should have a non-monetizedYoutube Channel with a host, with a couple/few videos explaining how it works and a Walk Through of how to use the app on both Apple and Android phones, with full Start to Finish real examples of all aspects of RDOX including paying and getting paid, and links to same videos in the major languages besides English. The host would make ongoing additional videos commenting on the state of the app and “community”.

Only monetize the Channel if YouTube demands it to keep the Channel up or if YouTube will boost the Channel in the algorithm, and have a foot and a half out the door and post the videos on Rumble, Bitchute, etc. People investing their valuable time to become customers shouldn’t be punished with someone else’s ad for something they don’t want, but if someone becomes a “content creator” based on the app and Monetizes their Channel that should be welcomed and encouraged.



This “FirstInspection.AI, now defunct app, looked like a great idea, but he had no Basic Instruction videos on his website or Youtube, no Walk Though, or even a list of the steps involved on the website.

I assumed I’d take a bunch of pics of a house, in a more or less logical sequence as I do a “tour”, especially any defects or problem areas, go home, pay the $24.95, log in and connect my phone to PC, etc.

Turned out it wanted me to pay the $24.95 first, then when I get to the house I was supposed to login, then it would use Precise Location for the address, then it would start telling me to take a pic of front of house, then sides and back, and so on.

When I got home it choked on my phone’s current location and forced that as my target house, wouldn’t let me manually enter the target house’s correct address, and I guess it couldn’t pull meta-data for GPS off my pics, so I was out $24.95, which I was OK with eating, and was going to try again, but the Website had died. Emailed the guy about if he would be interested in selling his app and he said I could schedule a demo (but I’m not IT savvy enough for that to be too useful).

Like I said, seemed like a great idea, but he really dropped the ball on not making a few instruction videos, or even a list of the steps on his Website.

Maybe the Steps are obvious to many people? IDK, but I consider myself pretty typical of his target customer.

Perfect example of how not to launch an app.


Reddit crapped all over this poor guy and his FirstInspection.AI app.

https://www.reddit.com/user/FirstInspectionAI/

I posted his website on 4Chan/DIY asking for opinions and/or if any similar apps exist, etc, and got banned for TWO WEEKS for “spamming/advertising”! Specific name brand stuff including quasi-ads are posted all the time on 4Chan/DIY. There seems to be a weird resentment/paranoia of any AI apps in the Inspector/Appraiser/Handyman/DIY community.



IMO this RDOX would work best as a wild and wide open raucous and often raunchy website where “anything goes” similar to 4Chan where stuff is only taken down for legal reasons or violations of very loose TOS. This seems at odds with the RE biz’s tone, so I’d completely understand if anyone in the RE biz, or Nice People in general, “wants nothing to do with it”. But I think it could provide enormous value to buyers the same way Amazon does by saving customers untold time and money getting exact items without epic shopping trips. Given there seems to be $10K, and often much more, in flux in any RE deal, and RE deals for individual home buyers seem fraught with Unk-Unks, it could become a “no brainer” to put $1000 or more on RDOX.
 
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One of the weekly features on the Youtube channel would be “How RDOX just saved me from making the worst mistake of my life” to among other things gin-up FUD in potential customers. As they say in the Insurance Biz, “What you are really buying is Peace Of Mind”.



Might become the default routine for RDOX to create an RDOX page for any Real Estate that pops up on Zillow/MLS, for uncensored public comments “for entertainment purposes only”. Depending on legal issues, RDOX might need to be based overseas. Would much of RDOX, especially about “Location” run afoul of the “spirit” but not the “letter” of Fair Housing Laws? Probably, but lots of forums on lots of websites do too and they seem legally OK, because they aren’t actually in the RE biz.



Would sellers and RE Agents mostly hate it? Probably. Would it do lots of good to many Buyers helping them avoid mistakes, at the same time give them lots of confidence in buying, and thus overall elevate the entire RE market and prices? I think so.



Could AI be used to process all the Reports and provide additional value? I think so, but IMO the focus would be person-to-person human Reporting of specific property specific info, especially all sorts of details about “Location, Location, Location” that only Locals would know.



RE Agents input on “Location, Location, Location” tends to be limited to future appreciation and a few very obvious and generally accepted factors like high crime, next to freeway, etc, and miss that “One man’s heaven is another man’s hell” and vice-versa which RDOX would be able to sus out for Buyers. All RE Agents live in Holy Terror of anyone even thinking they brushed up against Fair Housing Law doctrine, so they strictly self-censor, and are thus useless. RDOX would be the exact opposite, and the only issue would be determining what info is valid vs “clowns”.



How to jump start the website and get to Critical Mass and make it go viral? Not sure, besides guerrilla marketing and posting about it on forums, and creating a few Cases. Tricky part is the need to connect Buyers and Reporters, as well as RE Agents very likely to do everything legal and illegal to steer clients away from using the service. Hopefully there would be some Streisand Effect.

There should be a feature were its free to ask a question as a Buyer and also free for a Reporter to post information about a property unsolicited, then Buyers/Reporters could Name Their Price to obtain/release the info, or bargain, and maybe an AI or human could judge and rate the info for its likely value, and post the general nature of the hidden info the important part redacted as a teaser. Human judges could be WFH and themselves earn tip money and gain rank and clout.

Another weakness is this service would be most powerful for properties in semi-rural or smaller towns where connecting Buyers and Reporters would be harder. Main value of RDOX would be to be able to get data on locations that the Buyer isn’t able to easily visit, and many Sellers, local politicians and their cops, might not be happy about someone trying to air their dirty laundry, even if its someone “investing in the community and local economy”. Any RE transaction is gotta be one of the biggest boosts to very local economy with lots of local labor intensive spending.

I doubt putting up a sign outside the local Dollar Store saying “Info wanted on house for sale, and this neighborhood, and maybe even the seller/owner and maybe even the Seller’s Agent, at 123 Cherry Lane, Smalltown, USA, get paid up to $100 or more, login to rdox.biz” would go over too well, but you never know. There are lots of flyers posted with “We buy ugly houses for cash” with phone# and website. The people who might object, home sellers, are leaving town anyways. RDOX would mostly actually help them, by removing FUD from Buyers.

But I bet it could be a hit among the Starving Student community in college and even high school. I can’t think of any legal or moral reasons why Minors couldn’t be paid Reporters, but there should be a required Quiz you must complete that shows you’ve read and understood warnings and guidelines about “Don’t dox yourself on RDOX by providing information that only you would know that could come back on you and bite you in the ***”, and some AI feature that screens for such Reporting, and informs the Reporter of possible issue to require him to re-check and edit or delete.



With a budget of $100 per account, minus the app’s 10% skim, it might be viable to USPS mail a few flyers to local bars, and spam local’s emails, and “money talks”. Imagine bar-flies “fishing” for a $10 instant payout, enough to buy their next round of “truth serum” with Apple/Google Pay. Win-win-win, for the bar-fly, the Buyer and the bar. Could become a new form of “gambling addiction”, but you never lose money! They said alcoholics drink to get rid of anxiety, but gamblers gamble because they crave anxiety. App should include a feature where the Buyer “goes live” at certain times (Happy Hour) to monitor their Page for instant payouts.



It could be a marketing strength that such an app could start working, out of the gate, starting with a single customer and RE interest address. Someone sees a flyer posted by an information Buyer and they can earn a few easy bucks and off we go. Its not like Social Media or a Forum that relies on large, or any, Critical Mass to even function.



Website should include a few “safety” features such was software that destroys any tracking “watermark” of any pics, and doesn’t retain originals, and Reporters and Buyers would retain ability to have any info on their IP, phone, PC, etc erased on demand, at least on the app’s end, including any password records. Buyers and “Professional” paid Reporters that want to retain their clout and reputation would log on with password to collect their Tips in Monero, Apple/Google Pay, Credit Card, or even Check or Money Order if Credit Card and Apple/Google Pay processing gets canceled for the app due to Cancel Culture reasons.



Could the app and website owner be successfully sued (if based in USA), when a Reporter posts slander/libel/defamation? Section 230 says “probably not”, and “act in good faith” to delete etc, but who knows. There would have to be some policy about not responding to any cash offers to take down valid, but derogatory and economically impacting, Reports so it doesn’t degrade into a blackmail/extortion scheme like Yelp.com.



Could it be successfully sued in other nations? No idea, other than fairly provocative websites like 4Chan seem to survive internationally, with lots of downright malicious context.



Could the app work in other nations besides USA for same type of customers for same reasons, i.e. the failure of existing Real Estate regime to supply buyers with good information? Absolutely.



Would such an app run very afoul of local sensibilities in certain cultures, including various in the USA? Maybe.



Would the website gain notoriety as one of the “bad boys of the WWW”, and that would fuel its sudden rise? Likely.



Might some group such as National Association of Realtors do SLAPP, possibly by funding legal action and hiding behind sympathetic individuals? Who knows.




Would those involved in creating it become forever tainted and linked to it? Also likely, then again the Napster guy ended up OK, then again his website didn’t involve hurt feelings and embarrassment of random private citizens. Even if the majority of people negatively affected by the Reports are dishonest Sellers who deserve every bit and more, it seems there would be some “Collateral Damage”.



Would existence of a RDOX page for a property, especially an offer of cash for “any and all info on everything and everyone” impart stink, suspicion and stigma on whoever ends up buying the house, and that would be this idea’s fatal flaw? Quite likely, but that might be mitigated by:

1) A feature that automatically creates a Page for all listings on Zillow/MLS/Homes.com etc.

2) Limit the sort of info that can be requested and provided, particularly about individuals and “personal stuff” of the neighborhood.

3) A sharing or “welfare” system where Reporters get paid for Reports on properties in that neighborhood that don’t have Buyers/Sponsors, so its mostly hidden if a Buyer is paying for info on a particular house. That might work because typically Buyers will be at least interested in more than one house in a given neighborhood, and this app is as much about “The Neighborhood in general” more than the physical details of an individual house. It would just be a sign of a hot RE Market if it became known RDOX was paying out.

4) People would figure out what sort of info a Buyer would consider valuable on any house with a For Sale sign or Zillow listing, and transmit to Buyers “on the down low” and/or with not so cryptic hints like “have you met BOTH the neighbor’s sons?” or “great ‘hood if you love to party all night, every night, cops wont mess with you! :)
 
I think what they are trying to get to eventually is something like that. Inspection data collected at the time of listing.

Most of the agents are already using cubicasa to scan the house since it is built in to the MLS.
 
I think what they are trying to get to eventually is something like that. Inspection data collected at the time of listing.

Most of the agents are already using cubicasa to scan the house since it is built in to the MLS.
While my computer skills are lacking, I did take a few programming classes decades ago, and I'm bullish on AI in Inspection/Appraisal largely because the field of house construction is very finite, in the big scheme of things, and 98% of houses will be in a very narrow range of construction and possible defects, and there would be some human over-site if the AI report contains hallucinations, from at least the Seller.

But IMO the problem isn't on the Inspection/Appraisal end, but on the Real Estate Listing Agent end, and its psychological. 99% of Agents refuse to include problems any Buyer will surely see on even a quick walk-through, which is not just harmful to Buying Public, but doesn't do their clients, or themselves, any good to have a parade of Looky Lou find what is for them a "Deal Breaker".

https://restb.AI/company/about/ "Browsing through dozens of properties, he was shocked by the inconsistent quality of listings and the general difficulty of finding his family’s dream home. There had to be a better way. "

This forum isn't letting me send Direct Messages but if you shoot me an email to ThompsonCyborg@proton.me I'll send you my 20pg outline of this idea, and I'd be interested to hear what I'm misguided about.

I'm working on sprucing it up for a pitch to Y Combinator, even though its not too personally interesting to me, because of the potential profits and it seems to fit one of their founder's expertise and current requests for ideas.
 
Really, how many sales have been over priced. In my area, very very few. The problem isn't the value, it's the bad appraiser. The bad appraiser will come in wrong before, during and after. What if the bank gets a bad appraiser either way.
 
I am not an entrepreneur, so who knows...but I do not see the value in this for a buyer or a seller. There is so much information about listings and properties for a buyer and most of it free. A home inspection needs to be done on site; there is no way to automate it.

The reality is that buying a home is expensive and entails a certain amount of risk. Some folks want to minimize risk and so they buy a brand new home. No home inspection needed; it comes with a two-year warranty. For everyone else, a home inspection is optional. Not everybody orders one. If you order one, yes you might lose a few hundred bucks if the house fails the inspection. Big deal. If a person is buying a 500k home, and they are that strapped for cash that a $300 inspection of $500 appraisal is going to hurt them, maybe they should not be buying. Very often, a failed inspection or a d "low " appraisal is used to negotiate a new deal, where a seller gives a buyer a concession or lowers the price, so the money was not wasted. Other times the deal dies. That is part of RE.
 
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