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How do you define a neighborhood?

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I would love to get a variety of perspectives on how you define a neighborhood. Also when searching for your comps do you mostly always only look writhing that neighborhood? Thank you
 
I am not sure we know anymore- there are too many words and terms that are offensive to some people-so I would first review the Fannie-Mae- HUD do not use words or label list. Once you know those, then you can develop some "way to define different neighborhoods.
 
In the mostly rural areas I work, a "neighborhood" is often an entire town. Rural property, perhaps more than one school district or even entire counties especially in the case of ranches. And poultry farms, etc. are regional covering more than one state in many cases. "Market Area" makes more sense than "neighborhood." So FNMA's definitions are stupid on the surface. Their admonition "even if this requires more extensive research for particular property types" ignores the fact that to do so takes time and Fannie wants that time to be on your nickel not the clients.

Fannie Mae’s appraisal report forms and guidelines do not require the appraiser to rate or judge the neighborhood. Fannie Mae requires the appraiser to perform an objective neighborhood analysis by identifying neighborhood boundaries, neighborhood characteristics, and the factors that affect the value and marketability of properties in the neighborhood.​

  • Neighborhood boundaries. The appraiser should provide an outline of the neighborhood boundaries, which should be clearly delineated using ‘North’, ‘South’, ‘East’, and ‘West’. These boundaries may include, but are not limited to streets, legally recognized neighborhood boundaries, waterways, or other natural boundaries that define the separation of one neighborhood from another. Appraisers should not reference a map or other addendum as the only example of the neighborhood boundaries.
  • Neighborhood characteristics. These can be addressed by the types of structures (detached, attached) and architectural styles in the neighborhood (such as row or townhouse, colonial, ranch, or Victorian); current land use (such as single-family residential, commercial, or industrial); typical site size (such as 10000 sf, or 2.00 ac); or street patterns or design (such as one-way street, cul-de-sac, or court).
  • Factors that affect the value and marketability of properties in the neighborhood. These can be addressed by such things as the proximity of the property to employment and amenities, employment stability, appeal to the market, changes in land use, access to public transportation, and adverse environmental influences.
The appraiser must fully consider all of the value-influencing characteristics in the neighborhood and arrive at an appropriate neighborhood description and opinion of value for the property, even if this requires more extensive research for particular property types or for properties in certain geographic locations.​
As for how I search. It is by entire counties in rural counties. In NWA by towns. But the entire MSA where I live (Arkansas) is very uniform in characteristics.... that is, in other words, not uniform. There are no "types" of structures to judge a neighborhood with rare exception. An "natural boundaries" WTF is that? And N, S, E, W are meaningless terms as "neighborhoods" are not square normally and may be gerrymandered like an octopus squished on the road. As for using subdivisions... in cookiecutterville one subdivision may blend into another. And any "complimentary" uses may mean a subdivision with only 1 or 2 sales, or maybe none. But similar homes are probably nearby. So do you encompass several subdivisions or only one? And what is going to happen next with that a-nal UW or reviewer?

In other words, FNMA invites you to practice redlining by arbitrary boundaries that means nothing to a buyer nor the market. Then demands you not use the 'magic' bad words that redlining implies. Our communities, and I suspect that applies to most places I've been, are widely varied with large and small homes, old and new, good roads and bad, and any attempt to artificially pigeon-hole them as "complimentary uses" is a lost cause. So if I use a small town description then it gets the usual bland, rather meaningless and generic boilerplate I create for every town I work and update annually- population, access to jobs, unemployment, etc.
 
I can't define it, but I know one when I see it. Properties which are similar to the subject in location, quality, size, age, condition, and residential amenities that are sought by the market. I'd start discussing homogeneity, but that's one of the newly banned words by the GSEs.
 
I can't define it, but I know one when I see it. Properties which are similar to the subject in location, quality, size, age, condition, and residential amenities that are sought by the market. I'd start discussing homogeneity, but that's one of the newly banned words by the GSEs.
age is a nono word also for many. Location soon to be banned by HUD and Fed government.
 
I would love to get a variety of perspectives on how you define a neighborhood. Also when searching for your comps do you mostly always only look writhing that neighborhood? Thank you
Neighborhoods the surrounding area around a subject the owner would use to go about their daily activintes- find access to major roads, go to a store, get gas for their car, send their kids to school, etc

Comps should be wherever the most competitive and similar sales to the subject are located - which can be a with a same subdivision or same neighborhood or in a competing neighborhood. Where would a buyer for the subject go to find a substitute property ?
 
i live in a big city that has lots of neighborhood names. they are usually easily definable, but not always. the problem is that if the subject is on the edge of several neighborhoods then would the typical buyer look in those other neighborhoods. here probable yes. so i do use the term marketing area with the neighborhood. sometimes i just widen the neighborhood a bit to catch my comps. but i live in a big urban area. lines can get blurred if they don't involve physical barriers.
 
Neighborhoods the surrounding area around a subject the owner would use to go about their daily activintes- find access to major roads, go to a store, get gas for their car, send their kids to school, etc
In rural areas, that can be an entire county. How many towns are in say, Texas or Cimarron County, Oklahoma? (the panhandle)
 
Have you asked your supervisor? Commercial use neighborhoods are different. Jesse Girl, you've been a commercial trainee since July 2021, at BBG? Still there? Did you ever take those other 2 classes? You had 1300 hours logged by end of 2022, working 12.5 hours a day. It's not Too Many Questions, it's the same ones, over and over. Why do you need a variety of perspectives? This is Appraisal 101 stuff. Maybe get out your old textbooks or read through some of the many appraisal reports lying around the large commercial office you work in. That's how I learned, along with asking my mentor questions when I got stuck. Getting multiple perspectives from random appraisers with different specialties from all over the country will only confuse you in your efforts to get your certification or write a blog or whatever your goal is.
No I'm not doing commercial anymore I am doing residential now. I just don't understand what you are trying to get at with all of your questions. Do you have any input on how you define your neighborhood? If not, don't worry about it- there are other appraisers who don't mind being helpful.
 
I am not sure we know anymore- there are too many words and terms that are offensive to some people-so I would first review the Fannie-Mae- HUD do not use words or label list. Once you know those, then you can develop some "way to define different neighborhoods.
Thank you for the suggestion
 
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