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How do you define a neighborhood?

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A neighborhood and a market area can be the same, or they can be different things ( in an appraisal)

A neighborhood is understood loosely to be an aproximate physical boundary of a geo area sharing services and roads and amenities such as parks, recreation etc - in an urban area it could be more condensed and in a rural area more spread out. Use common sense and drive the area or look at overhead maps, talk to RE agents .

A market area is understood to be the area in which a buyer would purchase a similar house or condo if the subject was not available. And depending on many things, that alternate substitute property could be in the neighborhood, but also can be further out in a competing neighborhood if the subject is unique to its area/there are few similar sales due to limited activity/other reasons.
 
In the mostly rural areas I work, a "neighborhood" is often an entire town. Rural property, perhaps more than one school district or even entire counties especially in the case of ranches. And poultry farms, etc. are regional covering more than one state in many cases. "Market Area" makes more sense than "neighborhood." So FNMA's definitions are stupid on the surface. Their admonition "even if this requires more extensive research for particular property types" ignores the fact that to do so takes time and Fannie wants that time to be on your nickel not the clients.

Fannie Mae’s appraisal report forms and guidelines do not require the appraiser to rate or judge the neighborhood. Fannie Mae requires the appraiser to perform an objective neighborhood analysis by identifying neighborhood boundaries, neighborhood characteristics, and the factors that affect the value and marketability of properties in the neighborhood.​

  • Neighborhood boundaries. The appraiser should provide an outline of the neighborhood boundaries, which should be clearly delineated using ‘North’, ‘South’, ‘East’, and ‘West’. These boundaries may include, but are not limited to streets, legally recognized neighborhood boundaries, waterways, or other natural boundaries that define the separation of one neighborhood from another. Appraisers should not reference a map or other addendum as the only example of the neighborhood boundaries.
  • Neighborhood characteristics. These can be addressed by the types of structures (detached, attached) and architectural styles in the neighborhood (such as row or townhouse, colonial, ranch, or Victorian); current land use (such as single-family residential, commercial, or industrial); typical site size (such as 10000 sf, or 2.00 ac); or street patterns or design (such as one-way street, cul-de-sac, or court).
  • Factors that affect the value and marketability of properties in the neighborhood. These can be addressed by such things as the proximity of the property to employment and amenities, employment stability, appeal to the market, changes in land use, access to public transportation, and adverse environmental influences.
The appraiser must fully consider all of the value-influencing characteristics in the neighborhood and arrive at an appropriate neighborhood description and opinion of value for the property, even if this requires more extensive research for particular property types or for properties in certain geographic locations.​
As for how I search. It is by entire counties in rural counties. In NWA by towns. But the entire MSA where I live (Arkansas) is very uniform in characteristics.... that is, in other words, not uniform. There are no "types" of structures to judge a neighborhood with rare exception. An "natural boundaries" WTF is that? And N, S, E, W are meaningless terms as "neighborhoods" are not square normally and may be gerrymandered like an octopus squished on the road. As for using subdivisions... in cookiecutterville one subdivision may blend into another. And any "complimentary" uses may mean a subdivision with only 1 or 2 sales, or maybe none. But similar homes are probably nearby. So do you encompass several subdivisions or only one? And what is going to happen next with that a-nal UW or reviewer?

In other words, FNMA invites you to practice redlining by arbitrary boundaries that means nothing to a buyer nor the market. Then demands you not use the 'magic' bad words that redlining implies. Our communities, and I suspect that applies to most places I've been, are widely varied with large and small homes, old and new, good roads and bad, and any attempt to artificially pigeon-hole them as "complimentary uses" is a lost cause. So if I use a small town description then it gets the usual bland, rather meaningless and generic boilerplate I create for every town I work and update annually- population, access to jobs, unemployment, etc.
Thank you so much. I appreciate you!
 
A neighborhood and a market area can be the same, or they can be different things ( in an appraisal)

A neighborhood is understood loosely to be an aproximate physical boundary of a geo area sharing services and roads and amenities such as parks, recreation etc - in an urban area it could be more condensed and in a rural area more spread out. Use common sense and drive the area or look at overhead maps, talk to RE agents .

A market area is understood to be the area in which a buyer would purchase a similar house or condo if the subject was not available. And depending on many things, that alternate substitute property could be in the neighborhood, but also can be further out in a competing neighborhood if the subject is unique to its area/there are few similar sales due to limited activity/other reasons.
Lots of gold nuggets of advice and knowledge there! Thank you
 
I will provide an example

An 80 unit condo building in X area of town. A 2 bedroom 1000 sf typical subject , the best comps are 2 bedroom sales right in that condo building. But if your subject was a 3 bedroom 2500 sf penthouse and here were no siimalr big penthouse or high floor sales in subject building in 3 years, then the comps are other large penthouse and high floor big luxury units in whaveer other area buildings have sales of them in, and explain why even though there were five sales of 1000 sf units in the buidling, they are not competitive and therefore not used.

It really is just that simple, different versions of the same problem over and over -just takes more time to find the comps in some cases.
 
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No I'm not doing commercial anymore I am doing residential now. I just don't understand what you are trying to get at with all of your questions. Do you have any input on how you define your neighborhood? If not, don't worry about it- there are other appraisers who don't mind being helpful.
Okay, go with the Fannie Mae selling guide definition to be safe. The area I work is like Terrell said, rural, so didn't want to just say "Ditto". I love in a "cookie cutter" subdivision. There are usually enough sales in my subdivision or the identical one nearby of same effective age, size, 2 car garage, etc. that I would not expect an appraiser to go outside the immediate area for comparable sales, same city tax, same school zone, nearby grocery stores, Interstate access. You are in Orlando and the Orange County Appraiser Office has excellent GIS that shows neighborhood lines for the model and even recent sales data used in their model. You might find that helpful to visualize the process that way through the aerial view. Good Luck!
 
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Here is an example(not my best work) just one because it is a small town
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"Market is the area within the Town of Dallas(See Attached aerial) N Ratchford Rd; E Hwy 279; S Robinson-Clemmer Rd; W White Jenkins Rd

The subjects market is a small town mix of residential, multifamily with small/large business and some industrial use throughout the defined area. Essential government services,public/private schools, shopping and employment are within Dallas and south in Gastonia. The Primary commute corridors are Hwy 321, Hwy 279 and I-85. Dallas is popular for its small town feel and ease of access to Gastonia(County Seat) and I-85.

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In the mostly rural areas I work, a "neighborhood" is often an entire town.

Same here.

Also when searching for your comps do you mostly always only look writhing that neighborhood? Thank you

The defined neighborhood is what it is. Comparable sales may or may not be inside it depending on your subject. You do not adjust the defined neighborhood to fit the comparable sales.
 
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