How do you guys normally measure a stair-like this?

[Dublin ohio]

Best let Fernando do his measurements to compare apples with apples

If ANSI becomes standard and doesn't match with assessors or 3rd party sources then we can't compare subject's area correctly with comps.

You measure all of your comps?

 

[ramrcdk]

Whatever the "number" of different measurement totals, say from "actual measurement", MLS, tax, plans, corelogic, etc....zillow ...opendoor, even.
Check the percentage range of those differences. At the time, they all appeared correct until "the next" was used & for whatever the purpose.
Likely, even an exact match-floorplan will be found to have a different GLA total reported.

I have never dollar-for-dollar applied a per-each-square foot adjustment;
however, I often find "A BUFFER" found in the market prior applying the market derived adjustment for SF.
Just describe in the Report what you found & your process. Name the method (Example: ANSI) used for your Report.
Appraisal Review, CE Class.

 

[Functional Obs]

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I really need help with measuring this type of stair. How do you guys measure this type of stair? Thanks !!!!

Hook the metal edge of the 100-foot tape to the lip of the bottom stair and walk on up.

But like everybody else on here, I've never measured stairs before...

 

[NancyR623]

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I really need help with measuring this type of stair. How do you guys measure this type of stair? Thanks !!!!

As of April 1, this becomes very important as we are ALL required to conform with ANSI Z765 for measuring properties and calculating GLA on all Fannie Mae appraisals. The "Square Footage Method for Calculating: ANSI Z765-2021" put out by the American National Standards Institute is available for purchase from Home Innovations Research Lab. There are statements and declarations that must be in our appraisal reports as of April 1 and the process for measuring a structure must comply with ANSI A765. It gets complicated with regard to staircases and older homes with 2nd floor low ceilings (if ceiling height is less than 7' the entire floor cannot be counted in GLA) and measurements must be rounded to the nearest 1/10 of a foot and other very specific criteria. So far this requirement is ONLY on Fannie Mae appraisals, although Freddie, FHA, VA will likely follow soon. I took a class yesterday and am still struggling with the staircase issue. On a 2 story home with one stair case, the stair case counts as GLA for the second floor (from which it descends) and not the first floor. If there is a staircase going to the basement also, that counts for GLA on first floor. However if it is on a slab, the area for the one staircase is for the second floor only and therefore a space needs to be extracted from the sketch so as not to include in the first floor GLA. After taking a class, it is still somewhat confusing in practice.

 

[NancyR623]

just wondering on your public records, do they do that also? does that not throw off the comps GLA, if they don't.

As of April 1 this will get messy. Public records do not currently measure per ANSI in most areas and we have to as of 4/1- therefore our comps will likely feature GLA that does not comply with ANSI and that will affect our comparable adjustments.

 

[NancyR623]

ANSI > no standard. If you desire to implement a new standard, you could visit with Bert?

New standards apply for all Fannie Mae appraisals 4/1/2022.

 

[ramrcdk]

Hook the metal edge of the 100-foot tape to the lip of the bottom stair and walk on up.

But like everybody else on here, I've never measured stairs before...

Conversely, I have used ANSI for ....very longtime. Stair are included from the descending floor, right? Or wrong.

 

[Gingerman]

LOL WHY on earth would you be measuring the stairs?? LOL Seriously? Who taught you that?

I've always included stairs in sqft. Say you have a basic open foyer area maybe 12 ft wide and 20ft long. I'd come over from the side of home (or wherever the corner is that leads you to that open section), measure down (in) to the stairs, width of the stairs, then down/in again to however much of that 20ft long open section is left, over, then back up to the front of home.

That might not make a lick of sense . On my phone & not trying to be all pretty with my explanation. Just shooting from the hip.

 

[Gingerman]

Conversely, I have used ANSI for ....very longtime. Stair are included from the descending floor, right? Or wrong.

Right

 

[Gingerman]

Conversely, I have used ANSI for ....very longtime. Stair are included from the descending floor, right? Or wrong.

If wrong.... Then I clearly need to do some learning on these new standards ASAP bc I thought Ive always measured according to ANSI....