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Jonathan, the point of the thread is that you do not adjust the sales prices of the comparables for the concessions made to the sales price of the subject.

In other words, if you're appraising for a purchase and the contract states that the seller is crediting the buyer $6000 for closing ocsts you just report that information. No adjusting, it's just information that needs to be reported.

If the sale of one of the comparables you are using involved a concession and concessions are not typical to your market then you make an adjustment to that comparables sales price.

No one is saying that the appraiser was a skippy... just a dunce.
 
ok doky,

just wondering, there was some skippy talk earlier. I've only run into concessions on a subject once, mentor said just report it, no adjustment.

jonathan
 
Jim, I'm still learning so please forgive me. But it's been my experience that concessions are added on at the last minute and usually when the buyer doesn't have enough money to bring to the table or has less than great credit. So the concession did not influence the buyer other than allowing him to buy a property which was beyond his means.

What really yanks my chain is when the agent/lender/buyer/seller simply add to the listed price instead of reducing the listed price by the amount of the concession hoping that there is a pliant appraiser to make the deal work.
 
Roger & Greg,

Roger in your example I agree that no adjustment is warranted because the price was not influenced by the concession. Now, lets use your same scenario with seller adding $6000 to the list price. What then? This is the exact situation I was talking about in my post. I think people get confused because really this is a two part question. #1 Was the PRICE influenced by the concession. #2 If yes, then what is the adjustment based on the market. As regards HUD, I am really not surprised that I was told something different from what you may have been told. When I called HUD they directed me to "Frequently Asked Questions for Appraisers". Below is question #31.

31. Can you explain how an appraiser is to handle concessions?

Sales concessions influence the price paid for real estate. It may be in the form of loan discount points, loan origination fees, settlement assistance, payment of condo/PUD fees, builder incentives or the inclusion of non-realty items in the transaction.
Appraisers are required to verify and analyze all sales on a cash-equivalent basis (interest rate buy downs, below market financing, owner financing, etc). As stated in the Appraisal of Real Estate, Eleventh Edition:
In cash equivalency analysis, an appraiser investigates the sales price of comparable properties that appear to have been sold with non-market financing to determine whether adjustments to reflect typical market terms are warranted. First, sales with non-market financing are compared to other sales transacted with market financing to determine whether and adjustment for cash equivalency can be made. Market evidence is always the best indicator of such an adjustment. However, buyers rarely, if ever, rely on strict dollar for dollar cash equivalency adjustments.
The appraiser must verify all sales transactions for seller concessions and report those findings on the URAR. The amount of the negative adjustment to be made to each comparable with sales or financing concessions is equal to any increase in the purchase price of the comparable that the appraiser determines to be attributable to the concessions. It should be noted that the need to make negative adjustments and the amount of the adjustments to the comparables for sales and financing concessions are not based on how typical the concession might be for a segment of the market (large sales concessions can be relatively typical in a particular segment of the market and still result in sales prices that reflect more than the value of the real estate). The adjustment must reflect the difference between what the comparables actually sold for with the sales concessions and what they would have sold for without the concessions so that the dollar amount of the adjustments will approximate the reaction of the market to the concessions.
Comparables are never adjusted for the subject’s sales concessions. If the subject has a sales concession, the appraiser should discuss the purchase agreement, including any sales concessions for the subject, on page two of the URAR in the section marked “analysis of any current agreement of sale”.
Item 5 of the Definition of Market Value, (which is included with every residential appraisal) as shown above the Statement of Limiting Conditions and Appraiser’s Certification states: “The price represents the normal consideration for the property sold unaffected by special or creative financing or sales concessions* granted by anyone associated with the sale.”
*Adjustments to the comparables must be made for special or creative financing or sales concessions. No adjustments are necessary for those costs which are normally paid by the sellers as a result of tradition or law in a market area; these costs are readily identifiable since the seller pays these costs in virtually all sales transactions. Special or creative financing adjustments can be made to the
comparable property by comparisons to financing terms offered by a third party institutional lender that is not already involved in the property or transaction. Any adjustment should not be calculated on a mechanical dollar for dollar cost of financing or concessions but the dollar amount of any adjustment should approximate the market’s reaction to the financing or concessions based on the appraiser’s judgment.
 
Comparables are never adjusted for the subject’s sales concessions. If the subject has a sales concession, the appraiser should discuss the purchase agreement, including any sales concessions for the subject, on page two of the URAR in the section marked “analysis of any current agreement of sale”.

That was my only point. I guess I just misread your post.
 
Roger in your example I agree that no adjustment is warranted because the price was not influenced by the concession. Now, lets use your same scenario with seller adding $6000 to the list price. What then?

In all cases you Discuss the sales concessions offered in the subject transaction.

Regarding your "What then" question in the quote above, your market value estimate should be based upon what happens in the market place (comp sales) and not the whimsical way a sales price may have been developed. For all we know, the subject was priced $6,000 below market for a quick sale and the current offer included a concession to the seller of a quicker than average closing (perhaps worth $1,000+ to the seller.

Question 31, that you pasted in above emphasizes what you are to do to comparable sales
Appraisers are required to verify and analyze all sales on a cash-equivalent basis

You describe (you do not adjust price, etc) the sales concessions for the subject sale, but only adjust comparables based upon the market reaction to the concessions offered in the comparable's transaction:
Comparables are never adjusted for the subject’s sales concessions. If the subject has a sales concession, the appraiser should discuss the purchase agreement, including any sales concessions for the subject, on page two of the URAR in the section marked “analysis of any current agreement of sale”.

Since I seem to be repeating myself, perhaps someone else can chime in and clarify things via some other approach :rolleyes:
 
Sorry I wasn't clear about this in my first post. The seller concessions I'm talking about were added into the list price of COMP #1, not the subject, in the appraisal under review.

I would still adjust the COMP if the sales price was raised to pay the buyer's closing costs. In the case I reviewed, Comp #1 had a list price of $zzz,zzz. The MLS showed a closing price $3,000 higher. When I called the agent, he stated that $3,000 was added to list to pay buyers closing costs. Even though this was well within the so called 6% HUD uses, I felt it should have been adjusted for.

Ask yourself this...."what would it have sold for without the concessions?"
 
Since I seem to be repeating myself, perhaps someone else can chime in and clarify things via some other approach

Concessions to the subject's sales price have nothing to with the opinion of market value stated in the appraisal report.

It's just information that must be reported.

Concessions made to the sales prices of the comparables may have a lot to do with the opinion of market value stated in the appraisal report.

It is information that must be analyzed.

:shrug:
 
Jim, is that USPAP's Frequently Asked Questions that you quoted? I could not find it in the 2003 or 2004 editions. I don't have the 2005 edition yet. Or is it HUD's source? Thanks.
 
Hi Jim,

I see your post above and that clears everything up. Greg probably didn't see it since his post time is of the same minute.

You have to determine if the market reaction to sales concessions is dollar for dollar or something less. For example, usually the market in my area in a certain lower price range doesn't react significantly to +/-2% selling concessions. In fact, most transactions in this zone have 2% concessions. It's almost as common as having a real estate commission built in :P

In that instance, it would make sense to ignore the sales concessions under 2% and adjust for sales concessions over 2%. This is a good topic & I hope other's will chime in as to how they determine excess concessions from the market and develop their formula for adjusting the comps.
 
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