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I live in Arizona, but just completed a review of an SRA's appraisal in Florida

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I agree with Couch in many Florida markets two-story homes usually stick out like a sore thumb. Their are some newer tract neighborhoods that have more two-story design homes but the majority are one story ranchers. I just finished one where the subject was a two story home and every single sale in the past year was one story.
 
The report appears to be pretty bad but to make a blanket statement from Arizona about two story to one story in another market is just as bad. To be honest, there is rarely a difference between the two value wise. I have seen appraiser make that adjustment but the comps they chose to use in the sales grid contradict there adjustment.
Like I have said before on this site, I only know my market and can't comment on another.
 
According to Fannie Mae, the purpose of the 1004MC form is to provide transparency for the conclusions reached in the market trend section of the report (which can be interpreted to mean those conclusions presented on page one of the URAR).

The conclusions prior to the 1004MC form were simply stated as a check mark, and data was seldom provided for how the conclusions were reached. In general, appraisers were always pressured to check stable, sometimes increasing, but never declining, or an oversupply, etc., so historically that is what all appraisers did. The 1004MC is data provided to prove page one of the URAR. One can interpret it as page one being for the neighborhood and the 1004MC being for the specific market, but an argument can also be equally stated that that is not the intent of the form. Here is the Fannie Mae introduction to the form.

https://www.efanniemae.com/sf/guides/ssg/annltrs/pdf/2008/0830.pdf

On the report that is being reviewed, it specifically states that the appraiser did not use a resale with the same view, etc., and made across the grid adjustments to the resale; that sounds suspiciously to me like the appraiser used a new construction sale that bracketed it. I don't know, I do not have a copy of the report.

There are parts of the review that straight out sound like a person doing the review does not know Florida. For instance "C. Block" is a standard exterior description by appraisers in the state. From the central part of the state to the south, many people believe the bigger indicator in value for the exterior is not what coats the house, but what lies beneath it. Stucco on block is superior to stucco on wood frame to some people, and the real comparing is the concrete block vs frame. Hence, that is what they prefer to report. On a house that is vinyl over frame, these same guys will put "Frame" instead of Vinyl. You may not like it from Arizona, but it is a locally accepted practice.

Also, using ranches for a two story is not unusual either. And the conclusion reached for the time it took to sell, saying it is obvious that one stories are preferred, is based on a person with very limited knowledge in the area (one sale). The SARA with 20 years experience appraising Florida I'd presume, is well aware by report after report that the two stories do compete equally in most markets. Couch is correct on that front.

The $20,000 pool adjustment, though to some may sound high, is actually a typical adjustment in most Florida markets and can be supported by sales in almost any market time in and time out. I don't know this particular market, but a reviewer with knowledge of the area would, more than likely, find the adjustment acceptable knowing Florida.

As far as the AC needing to be replaced, i.e., I'd assume not working, since this is an FHA report, the report would have to be based on the hypothetical condition that the HVAC system worked properly (we have heat pumps in Florida 9 out of 10 times, and the heat and the air are intricately linked). If, however, the AC was working, then it is working. I'd have to see it before I made a judgment.

I can conclude two things on the report, 1. the original appraiser is struggling with the 1004MC form; and 2. the reviewer is overstepping his knowledge base and should not have gotten involved except perhaps to come on here, find a Florida appraiser who covers that area, and ask as a favor if they'd look at the report.
 
The methodology that was used for the 1004MC would have to be properly understood before making a judgement on it's results and why it might be used to support macroeconomic conditions. In the event it was used to determine an macro view (which should be disclosed so the reader can properly understand the results) it might be very indicative of the overall market conditions if it was performed in such a manner.

1004MC can be very usefull when used as such though it what have to be be explained why it was used in such a manner.
 
According to Fannie Mae, the purpose of the 1004MC form is to provide transparency for the conclusions reached in the market trend section of the report (which can be interpreted to mean those conclusions presented on page one of the URAR).

The conclusions prior to the 1004MC form were simply stated as a check mark, and data was seldom provided for how the conclusions were reached. In general, appraisers were always pressured to check stable, sometimes increasing, but never declining, or an oversupply, etc., so historically that is what all appraisers did. The 1004MC is data provided to prove page one of the URAR. One can interpret it as page one being for the neighborhood and the 1004MC being for the specific market, but an argument can also be equally stated that that is not the intent of the form. Here is the Fannie Mae introduction to the form.

https://www.efanniemae.com/sf/guides/ssg/annltrs/pdf/2008/0830.pdf

On the report that is being reviewed, it specifically states that the appraiser did not use a resale with the same view, etc., and made across the grid adjustments to the resale; that sounds suspiciously to me like the appraiser used a new construction sale that bracketed it. I don't know, I do not have a copy of the report.

There are parts of the review that straight out sound like a person doing the review does not know Florida. For instance "C. Block" is a standard exterior description by appraisers in the state. From the central part of the state to the south, many people believe the bigger indicator in value for the exterior is not what coats the house, but what lies beneath it. Stucco on block is superior to stucco on wood frame to some people, and the real comparing is the concrete block vs frame. Hence, that is what they prefer to report. On a house that is vinyl over frame, these same guys will put "Frame" instead of Vinyl. You may not like it from Arizona, but it is a locally accepted practice.

Also, using ranches for a two story is not unusual either. And the conclusion reached for the time it took to sell, saying it is obvious that one stories are preferred, is based on a person with very limited knowledge in the area (one sale). The SARA with 20 years experience appraising Florida I'd presume, is well aware by report after report that the two stories do compete equally in most markets. Couch is correct on that front.

The $20,000 pool adjustment, though to some may sound high, is actually a typical adjustment in most Florida markets and can be supported by sales in almost any market time in and time out. I don't know this particular market, but a reviewer with knowledge of the area would, more than likely, find the adjustment acceptable knowing Florida.

As far as the AC needing to be replaced, i.e., I'd assume not working, since this is an FHA report, the report would have to be based on the hypothetical condition that the HVAC system worked properly (we have heat pumps in Florida 9 out of 10 times, and the heat and the air are intricately linked). If, however, the AC was working, then it is working. I'd have to see it before I made a judgment.

I can conclude two things on the report, 1. the original appraiser is struggling with the 1004MC form; and 2. the reviewer is overstepping his knowledge base and should not have gotten involved except perhaps to come on here, find a Florida appraiser who covers that area, and ask as a favor if they'd look at the report.

That was a very well-reasoned and written response. I don't know anything about the Florida market, but what you note sure seems to make a lot of sense. I'm guessing your reports don't require a lot of follow up explanation.
 
How about I just post a copy of the report for you folks. Regardless of whether or not I'm in Arizona, Tanzania, Florida, etc, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it was a **** poor report. Defending an SRA blindly is what I would expect from our industry. Yes, I made a blanket statement about single story and two story properties. I know what rules the day in Arizona... and based on the B.S. that was on the grid in the original report, a design adjustment was very much warranted. I never complained about a $20,000 pool adjustment (I've made such an adjustment in my market after running CMA data breaking down percentage differences among resales with and without pools). Your SUPER SRA never commented on across the grid view adjustments (this was a nine year old property, not new construction)... I don't even want to go into the rest of the detail. Let's be honest here... the line where the value is reported had the effective date of the report. Yes... it's a very correctable mistake, but it also shows carelessness by the original appraiser (blows my mind that a 20+ year vet would be this careless). FWIW... Even though I was looking over this as favor for a good friend (no advocacy though), I did document the analytical review I completed by following USPAP guidelines relevant to standard 3. Have a nice night Florida...
 
Nowhere have I opined the appraisal in question is good, bad, or otherwise. I don't care if the appraiser was an SRA or a trainee. :shrug: I merely pointed out your comments on the report displayed total ignorance of the Florida market, which rendered you incompetent to review the appraisal, and other Florida appraisers agreed.
 
That was a very well-reasoned and written response. I don't know anything about the Florida market, but what you note sure seems to make a lot of sense. I'm guessing your reports don't require a lot of follow up explanation.


Unless reviewed by out of state reviewers - but thanks.
 
How about I just post a copy of the report for you folks. Regardless of whether or not I'm in Arizona, Tanzania, Florida, etc, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it was a **** poor report. Defending an SRA blindly is what I would expect from our industry. Yes, I made a blanket statement about single story and two story properties. I know what rules the day in Arizona... and based on the B.S. that was on the grid in the original report, a design adjustment was very much warranted. I never complained about a $20,000 pool adjustment (I've made such an adjustment in my market after running CMA data breaking down percentage differences among resales with and without pools). Your SUPER SRA never commented on across the grid view adjustments (this was a nine year old property, not new construction)... I don't even want to go into the rest of the detail. Let's be honest here... the line where the value is reported had the effective date of the report. Yes... it's a very correctable mistake, but it also shows carelessness by the original appraiser (blows my mind that a 20+ year vet would be this careless). FWIW... Even though I was looking over this as favor for a good friend (no advocacy though), I did document the analytical review I completed by following USPAP guidelines relevant to standard 3. Have a nice night Florida...

And did you apply for your temporary Florida appraisal license, too? :rof:

We all have reviewed for friends, we all have criticized another appraiser's work, and we all have an appraisal out there we wish we could get back. C'est la vie. After 22 years in this business I have come full circle and prefer to defend another appraiser's thinking unless it becomes impossible. I didn't see the report; perhaps it is indefensible. Like what Couch said, I am not making a judgment one way or the other. But the fact is, a style adjustment is very, very rare in Florida.

Also, when it comes to having 102 Comparables (?) in the market area, in Florida the market area might consist of an area that contains 5 to 15, sometimes more, large PUD developments, where each master PUD has a handful, or even dozens of villages. Technically, all of these sales might be comparable properties, but guidelines when appraising a PUD state that resales from within the PUD project should be the best indicators of value. Therefore, staying within the village first is most important, and within the master project second. Once you cut through all of the short sales that sold below market, and the REO sales that sold at liquidation or in need or work, and once you narrow down the houses where the owners just wanted out, it becomes apparent quickly that the pickings for the most proximate, recent and similar market sales is slim.
 
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