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I'm buyer, have closed, appr sf under by ~750 sf

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Yeah. I can't figure out why there was any discussion at all after the part where the OP said...they had already closed.

Because we assume that appraisals are supposed to be correct, even after things close. I'm not an appraiser, but I would have thought it mattered, even a small bit, to have it right.
 
It happens sometimes that the GLA is different from public records. A couple of weeks ago I had a 2 story colonial, which is simple and easy to measure, built in 1993. The county had the GLA at 4,973 sf, I measured it with my Disto E7500 and came up with 4,202 sf. Fortunately I had a copy of the builder’s floor plan and a survey that matched up perfectly with my measurements, I put a comment in the addendum explaining the discrepancy. Real estate agent tells me that both the seller and buyer are going to talk to the assessor.
 
C'mon Johnny, give us the appraisers sketch and yours.
Because you know, on the internet, it doesn't exist without pics. :peace:
 
I have also not seen a 14 foot wide house. Can you post a copy of the sketch?

My first house was 14' wide by 24' long. It was literally a converted shot-gun shack.
I loved that house, I think it may have floated away during Irene. Or at least the 14'x20' deck did.
 
It happens sometimes that the GLA is different from public records. A couple of weeks ago I had a 2 story colonial, which is simple and easy to measure, built in 1993. The county had the GLA at 4,973 sf, I measured it with my Disto E7500 and came up with 4,202 sf. Fortunately I had a copy of the builder’s floor plan and a survey that matched up perfectly with my measurements, I put a comment in the addendum explaining the discrepancy. Real estate agent tells me that both the seller and buyer are going to talk to the assessor.

Got an email from the listing agent, the county is refunding the seller $2,500 and reducing the taxes for the buyer going forward. The county has already corrected the GLA in the public records on their website.
 
Evaluating Above-Grade Room Count (from Fannie Mae Guidelines)
The most common comparison for one-unit properties is the above-grade gross living area.
Appraisers must be consistent when calculating and reporting finished above-grade room count
and square footage for the gross living area above-grade.
A level is considered below-grade if any portion of it is below-grade—regardless of the quality
of its finish or the window area of any room. A walk-out basement with finished rooms would
not be included in the above-grade room count.
For units in condo or co-op projects, the appraiser must use interior perimeter unit dimensions to
calculate the gross living area. In all other instances, the appraiser must use the exterior building
dimensions per floor to calculate the above-grade gross living area of a property.
The following must be observed when calculating and reporting above-grade room count and
square footage for the gross living area:
• Only finished above-grade areas can be used in calculating and reporting of above-grade room
count and square footage for the gross living area.
• Garages and basements, including those that are partially above-grade, must not be included in
the above-grade room count.

The guidelines continue:
Appropriate Above-Grade and Below-Grade Comparisons
To ensure consistency in the sales comparison analysis, appraisers must compare above-grade
areas to above-grade areas and below-grade areas to below-grade areas.
Appraisers may deviate from this approach if the style of the subject property or any of the
comparables does not lend itself to such comparisons.
However, in such instances, the appraiser must explain the reason for the deviation and clearly
describe the comparisons that were made

IOW, IF the subject or the comparables are not designed such that one could make above grade to above grade comparisons, then the appraiser my deviate as long as they explain. We have lake properties in our area that are built into the side of the hill. In this market it is typical to include EVERY level with exposure to the lake in the GLA.
 
He might have separated the basement below grade from the basement above grade. On the section that says, "Basement & Finished Rooms Below Grade," he put a general "sf" figure and then a "sfwo" The sfwo matches his 14' wall floor plan. I thought the first figure was supposed to be TOTAL sf on the basement and the sfwo would be a part of that. There is one unfinished room about 19' wide next to the finished part that would just about compensate for the difference between the two figures, which is why I read it that way. But,t hat unfinished space is also a walk-out space.

So, is the first "sf" figure ONLY supposed to be below grade and the "sfwo" (sf walk out, I know) additional above grade, or is the first figure a cumulative first floor sf? I assume there's a standard to how these figures are listed.

If these two areas are differentiated then that means all the rooms on the first floor have a "value boundary" going right down the middle. The 14' facing the view is sfwo but the rest of the room is just finished basement?! What happens if you have a basement that isn't finished? It should add some value.

This brings up another dilemma if he actually did it correctly. For his "Additional Comparables" he used a home which we looked at ourselves to buy. It has a concrete basement 2/3 the size with nothing finished and totally below grade. Awesome place for storage, but it isn't true living space with a full bathroom and there ain't any daylight getting down there. He only credited $6,000 for the difference in these two spaces. How can one fully finished (except for a 19' wide space) and much larger space be worth only $6K more?! This is also a house that has AMAZING reclaimed wood floors compared to the old carpet in ours. I would have thought our carpet would have reduced the value of our house, which I know used to be the case. I'd like to think that when we put in hardwood floors it's going to make a difference in the value of the house! It's a lot of money to pay for something that doesn't matter to an appraiser.

Why don't I order another appraisal? Because I already paid $700 for this one less than a month ago.

Thank you all for your responses and help! Your help is greatly appreciated As you can tell, it's somewhat confusing to me. It's a wonderful house, and if we need an appraisal in the future we'll obviously have to get a new one, so in the long run this one really doesn't matter, but I would like to understand. Maybe I should just call him and ask him to help me understand his figures.

Regarding the red highlighted area. It's not about it mattering to an appraiser. It's about the market. Just because the appraiser you worked for years ago made an adjustment for carpet, does not make it a fact that crummy carpet would have any affect on the current market value. Adjustments are not make according to the cost of the amenity, but what the typical buyer is willing to pay, or value such an amenity. You are asking people on this forum to explain something to you without being able to see the home, see the sketch, or see the photos, yet you are quick to state the appraiser is at fault. Before trying to ruin the appraisers reputation, why not find out his reasoning?
 
It's a lower level with part of the wall underground on a sloping lot. I imagine he just measured the outside wall he could see and didn't remeasure inside. He drew a diagram of the lower level having a 14' wall. He then carried through all his individual calculations for sf with the 14' amount on the report to show how he got his sf for the lower level. Because of those two things I'm sure of the error. Because this is a fact error and not an opinion I know I could get a recalculation.

But, some other things I wonder about, as well. For example, the appraiser I worked for a looooooong time ago differentiated between the value of old stained carpet throughout a house vs. hardwood.

Maybe he just did what he needed to do to meet the purchase price, who knows. Maybe I should just leave it alone. But, it is a pretty doggone sloppy job. I hope this is a rare example of his work.


Really? If you think that appraisers need to meet the purchase price you are sadly mistaken. Yes, there are some out there that may do that, but any ethical good appraiser does not "meet the purchase price." An appraisal is an opinion of market value. Markets change, therefore, so do home prices/values. If you are so sure that the appraiser did a sloppy job, why bother posting here?

 
Because we assume that appraisals are supposed to be correct, even after things close. I'm not an appraiser, but I would have thought it mattered, even a small bit, to have it right.

It does matter, and you should question something when it doesn't make sense, but it disturbs me when you state the appraiser did a sloppy job, when you aren't even sure he/she really did. :shrug:
 
It does matter, and you should question something when it doesn't make sense, but it disturbs me when you state the appraiser did a sloppy job, when you aren't even sure he/she really did. :shrug:

It matters... but, the appraisal was done for the lender. The lender approved the loan. The OP closed the loan. For the OP, the game is over. If they want to be civic minded, they can file a complaint with the appraisal board in their state. If they file a complaint, then once again, for the OP, the game is over. The state board will do what they do from that point.
 
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