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In search of Data Cancer via Waivers - Riverside, CA

George Hatch

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Below is a breakdown of all residential condos located in Riverside CA and marketed/sold through the local MLS in 2024. I broke the data down into 3 groups

  • The sales where the public records don't show the financing
  • The sales where the public records show low LTV financing up to 80%, presumably including some waivers in addition to the appraisal-backed mortgages
  • The sales where the public records show high LTV financing of 81+%, presumably being waiver-free
Riverside condos.jpg

To provide some context for the prevailing pricing trends, the next table shows the stats for the entire dataset going back 4 years.
4yr.jpg
 
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Some disclosures
- I chose to analyze condos in Riverside for a couple reasons
The dataset consists of condos so that will mostly limit the property attributes​
The town is large enough and yields enough sales to get a decent sized dataset to analyze​
The transaction amounts falls within the GSE pricing limitations​

- I only analyzed the sales reported through the MLS so there are probably others which occurred but which were not marketed through the MLS.

- I manually checked their financing and where it was close I calculated the LTVs myself. Tedious and time consuming, but not difficult to do. Anyone can do it.

- I didn't look, but the low sales will commonly include some beaters being purchased to rehab/flip, so I wouldn't put too much focus on those prices. I usually look at the medians as being more indicative of the overall pricing trends.

- The are probably errors in the MLS data and in the public records data, including omissions in the reporting of the financing. Probably a few of the "no 1st reported" sales actually were financed but that element isn't being reported in public records. I can only parrot what the MLS and public records databases are reporting. "as reported" is not intended to imply that's all there is.

- The low-LTV group is also not intended to imply that those are all waivers. We can generally expect that some will have waivers and some will have appraisals. Some might not have a valuation of any kind if there was a seller carry or private money involved. However, if there are any waivers then those will be a subset of the low-LTV transactions because the GSEs weren't using them for high-LTV financing in 2024.

- The high sales for 2022, 2023 and 2024 have atypical attributes when compared to the others, the next highest sales being more typical in location or other features and having pricing that's more similar their respective comps.

- I'm sure there are other aspects of this analysis which bear closer scrutiny, will trigger additional questions and discussion.

- I dunno if anyone is interested in looking at these listings themselves, but I did print out the 1-liners for all of them. If you want me to post them I can, it'll just be cludgy because they don't all fit on a single page. I don't expect anyone to take my word for anything.
 
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Hey George, can you give us a little more detail?
 
Hey George, can you give us a little more detail?
I can't tell if you're mocking me or if you really want to look at the raw data yourself. Either is fine. Please advise.
 
Some disclosures
- I chose to analyze condos in Riverside for a couple reasons
The dataset consists of condos so that will mostly limit the property attributes​
The town is large enough and yields enough sales to get a decent sized dataset to analyze​
The transaction amounts falls within the GSE pricing limitations​

- I only analyzed the sales reported through the MLS so there are probably others which occurred but which were not marketed through the MLS.

- I manually checked their financing and where it was close I calculated the LTVs myself. Tedious and time consuming, but not difficult to do. Anyone can do it.

- I didn't look, but the low sales will commonly include some beaters being purchased to rehab/flip, so I wouldn't put too much focus on those prices. I usually look at the medians as being more indicative of the overall pricing trends.

- The are probably errors in the MLS data and in the public records data, including omissions in the reporting of the financing. Probably a few of the "no 1st reported" sales actually were financed but that element isn't being reported in public records. I can only parrot what the MLS and public records databases are reporting. "as reported" is not intended to imply that's all there is.

- The low-LTV group is also not intended to imply that those are all waivers. We can generally expect that some will have waivers and some will have appraisals. Some might not have a valuation of any kind if there was a seller carry or private money involved. However, if there are any waivers then those will be a subset of the low-LTV transactions because the GSEs weren't using them for high-LTV financing in 2024.

- The high sales for 2022, 2023 and 2024 have atypical attributes when compared to the others, the next highest sales being more typical in location or other features and having pricing that's more similar their respective comps.

- I'm sure there are other aspects of this analysis which bear closer scrutiny, will trigger additional questions and discussion.

- I dunno if anyone is interested in looking at these listings themselves, but I did print out the 1-liners for all of them. If you want me to post them I can, it'll just be cludgy because they don't all fit on a single page. I don't expect anyone to take my word for anything.
Awesome IMO that you're a consummate practioner to the extent that you'd devote time to this type of research. Curious: Did the data pertain to a commercial assignment?
 
So what is your conclusion based on that?
I think better to let those who are interested in looking and considering the information to do that before getting into any discussions. There might be better ways to search/analyze.
 
Awesome IMO that you're a consummate practioner to the extent that you'd devote time to this type of research. Curious: Did the data pertain to a commercial assignment?
I don't work in the GSE pipelines so I have no particular use for this analysis. I'm just running my mouth to hear myself run my mouth. With that said, I normally DO run a 5yr trend analysis for SFRs when I am appraising condos and SFRs and land that is suitable for such.
 
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I think better to let those who are interested in looking and considering the information to do that before getting into any discussions. There might be better ways to search/analyze.

I think it is a waste of time without the actual data on what transactions received waivers.
 
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