Inspection

[chad hampton]

In NC, if an unlicensed person shows up at your home to perform an appraisal service, they can be charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor. 6 months in jail maximum. Not sure that's worth the below min wage that some of our AMC "partners" are paying these fake inspectors.

 

[chad hampton]

Don't trainees have to go around with their supervisors for various amounts of time to learn how to do site inspections properly? I'm not sure what my state now requires. I would think that real world experience far exceeds anything sitting in a classroom will provide.

The NC pre-licensing class used to have a class site visit to a property. That was back in the 90's.

Classes are worthless. Experience matters. Can't get that for below min wage.

 

[djd09]

Actually, I believe that post referred to the required training in those areas. How much REQUIRED formal training is there for an appraiser that addresses the topics of property inspection and/or home measurement? I think we all know the answer. Yes, i took a very good course in property inspection, as a CE course. And I have taken home measurement courses. But I personally know scores of appraisers who have never had one hour of formal education in either topic. And, that begs the questions - if it is as critical as some want to claim, why isn't there any such requirements? And, why have those now yelling that not been lobbying the AQB to add such requirements? Heck, I am not even in that camp and I have suggested it to the AQB

who cares about that. tell us about the lawsuit?

 

[J Grant]

Actually, I believe that post referred to the required training in those areas. How much REQUIRED formal training is there for an appraiser that addresses the topics of property inspection and/or home measurement? I think we all know the answer. Yes, i took a very good course in property inspection, as a CE course. And I have taken home measurement courses. But I personally know scores of appraisers who have never had one hour of formal education in either topic. And, that begs the questions - if it is as critical as some want to claim, why isn't there any such requirements? And, why have those now yelling that not been lobbying the AQB to add such requirements? Heck, I am not even in that camp and I have suggested it to the AQB

Because the required "formal " training was the 2 years or more to get hours for a license with a mentor of supervised appraisals including inspections./ reconciling the inspection resutls with data and market analsys ( plus the years of doing so afterward)

The rote aspects such as measurement is not have enough content to merit a training course.Want to require a course in construction, which most appraisers took as an option, fine.

How to measure and work a camera can be taught in a few hours. The years of field work and inspection for appraisers are to develop a store of accumulated experience din order to comptently evaluate diverse properties and neighborhoods.Along with doing inspections came continual immersion in the market and interaction with builders, contractors, flippers, RE agents, owners etc.

Much of that will be lost to a new generation of appraisers who will be mostly at a desk /computer, so a formal class may be more critical n future.. .

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

I do have a background in civil engineering,

I've had college course in surveying, but worked for 2 Civil Engineers and did field work with a plane table and alidade. I still have a plane table and a mountain alidade. But my father was a barn builder and I learned from him.

the required training in those areas

Apparently NAIFA instructors I had believed that learning to physically inspect property was "required". And getting a measurement of the GLA was never as important as a lot of other things like defects, dated colors, identifying simple items like older wiring, materials, surfacing septic, exposed wires, etc.

 

[DWiley]

Because the required "formal " training was the 2 years or more to get hours for a license with a mentor of supervised appraisals including inspections./ reconciling the inspection resutls with data and market analsys ( plus the years of doing so afterward)

The rote aspects such as measurement is not have enough content to merit a training course.Want to require a course in construction, which most appraisers took as an option, fine.

How to measure and work a camera can be taught in a few hours. The years of field work and inspection for appraisers are to develop a store of accumulated experience din order to comptently evaluate diverse properties and neighborhoods.Along with doing inspections came continual immersion in the market and interaction with builders, contractors, flippers, RE agents, owners etc.

Much of that will be lost to a new generation of appraisers who will be mostly at a desk /computer, so a formal class may be more critical n future.. .

A specious argument, at best. How many people have you actually trained? I have trained many who are now certified, and while it is true that I used the inspection process as a training opportunity, it is equally true that there are no such requirements. One could become a certified appraiser without having performed a meaningful number of property inspections.

Anyone who thinks the lack of required formal education for appraisers will not be used by those promoting third party inspection is ignoring reality. I feel quite sure that any power user could produce numerous examples of inspections by certified appraisers that are no better than the inspections of various third parties. As a state reviewer there was no shortage of reports in which the diagrams and measurements provided by the appraiser did not match the photos of the property. And, forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn’t there a recent thread defending the practice of just using the tac sketch? We need to see that our own house is in order before we go after others - but it my be too late for that.

 

[djd09]

what were paying them 5 bucks a hour or per inspection?

if they force you to accept a third party inspection, then they are misclassifying you too, per the irs.

cigar around.

Common Law Rules
Facts that provide evidence of the degree of control and independence fall into three categories:

1. Behavioral: Does the company control or have the right to control what the worker does and how the worker does his or her job?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/smal...ependent-contractor-self-employed-or-employee

Think about the millions or billions of unpaid benefits.

 

[glenn walker]

An appraiser will not select the inspector: we might get a competent inspector on one assignment, and a dud on the next.

The loss occurs in the disconnect from appraiser not going out to the property themselves, since the appraiser can get a different read on the property even if the inspector does a good job. .

NO different than what many appraisers deliver

 

[J Grant]

NO different than what many appraisers deliver

How do you KNOW that, since the 1004 P is not in use yet? Easy to make statements out of thin air.1

 

[DWiley]

NO different than what many appraisers deliver

Ironically enough a new thread was started in a FB appraiser group earlier today about what a poor job appraisers do inspecting/measuring