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I can't remember the last time I did a 2055 report.
I tried one (1) of those for a conventional lending assignment during Covid. Way more trouble than it was worth. I still do some pre-foreclosure work using that form (used to be a lot), however lenders seem to be using alternatives for the majority of that niche now as well.
 
It's an "assemblage sale". There is no reasonable time and manner of exposure which would render that particular combination as acceptable evidence of "market value". There is an industrywide prohibition against adding the price someone paid for piece of land, plus the price of installing a manufactured home on said land, and then using the combined "price" someone paid for both as a comparable when forming a market value opinion.
  • The appraiser must not create comparable sales by combining vacant land sales with the contract purchase price of the home. This type of information may be used as additional supporting documentation.

Asseblabe packages as comps are forbidden in UARA appraisals, so we don't use them because we guarantee that we did n't.

Hower there is no edict against a comp that was not on MLS or had 0-1 day marketing time - if we can show it was reasonable market exposure it can be used
 
Asseblabe packages as comps are forbidden in UARA appraisals, so we don't use them because we guarantee that we did n't.

Hower there is no edict against a comp that was not on MLS or had 0-1 day marketing time - if we can show it was reasonable market exposure it can be used
We had one appraiser in market who always had a hip pocket FSBO to pull out when he needed to justify some overvaluation. They would always be well above all the other market value indications from MLS exposed properties, and we all knew they had large seller concessions involved with them, however, in this nondisclosure state contract details & seller concessions are not typically disclosed to third parties. So, when a lender had something that didn't fit normal lending parameters (typically involving inadequate down payment & large seller concessions via some "equity gifting program"), they knew who to call, because he had a built-in database of non-MLS exposed properties full of seller concessions which he didn't bother to disclose. And nobody, absolutely nobody involved, would discuss anything about those situations, as to do so would implicate them & their lending pipeline in mortgage fraud. I confronted him about at one time, and asked him why people were consistently paying more for those FSBO properties than properties which were professionally marketed to a much broader audience via the MLS and he replied, "those are smart people, with extensively updated homes, who knew they didn't need to engage the services of a realtor to sell them ". I will always have a bad taste in my mouth over "FSBO's as comps" after seeing firsthand how the concept can be abused.
 
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We had one appraiser in market who always had a hip pocket FSBO to pull out when he needed to justify some overvaluation. They would always be well above all the other market value indications from MLS exposed properties, and we all knew they had large seller concessions involved with them, however, in this nondisclosure state contract details & seller concessions are not typically disclosed to third parties. So, when a lender had something that didn't fit normal lending parameters (typically involving inadequate down payment & large seller concessions via some "equity gifting program"), they knew who to call, because he had a built-in database of non-MLS exposed properties full of seller concessions which he didn't bother to disclose. And nobody, absolutely nobody involved, would discuss anything about those situations, as to do so would implicate them & their lending pipeline in mortgage fraud. I confronted him about at one time, and asked him why people were consistently paying more for those FSBO properties than properties which were professionally marketed to a much broader audience via the MLS and he replied, "those are smart people, with extensively updated homes, who knew they didn't need to engage the services of a realtor to sell them ". I will always have a bad taste in my mouth over "FSBO's as comps" after seeing firsthand how the concept can be abused.
Yes, it was not properly used by that one appraiser.

As I said in my other posts, I would not use a sale like that if it sold cosndirealy lower or higher than the others.... appraiser looking looking to juice value will always find a way!
 
We had one appraiser in market who always had a hip pocket FSBO to pull out when he needed to justify some overvaluation. They would always be well above all the other market value indications from MLS exposed properties, and we all knew they had large seller concessions involved with them, however, in this nondisclosure state contract details & seller concessions are not typically disclosed to third parties. So, when a lender had something that didn't fit normal lending parameters (typically involving inadequate down payment & large seller concessions via some "equity gifting program"), they knew who to call, because he had a built-in database of non-MLS exposed properties full of seller concessions which he didn't bother to disclose. And nobody, absolutely nobody involved, would discuss anything about those situations, as to do so would implicate them & their lending pipeline in mortgage fraud. I confronted him about at one time, and asked him why people were consistently paying more for those FSBO properties than properties which were professionally marketed to a much broader audience via the MLS and he replied, "those are smart people, with extensively updated homes, who knew they didn't need to engage the services of a realtor to sell them ". I will always have a bad taste in my mouth over "FSBO's as comps" after seeing firsthand how the concept can be abused.
Yes, it was not properly used by that one appraiser.

As I said in my other posts, I would not use a sale like that if it sold considerably lower or higher than the others..... An appraiser looking to juice value will always find a way!

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Yes, it was not properly used by that one appraiser.

As I said in my other posts, I would not use a sale like that if it sold cosndirealy lower or higher than the others.... appraiser looking looking to juice value will always find a way!
I'm assuming that it would be much harder to run a scam like that in "full disclosure states" where financing is a matter of public record than it is out here in the wild, wild west. I just thought it might be helpful to illustrate why some of us have a bad attitude over seemingly innocent situations such as that.
 
No one sale - regardless of its source - should be of significant effect on the opinion of an appraiser who analyzed - to one degree or another - 30 or 40 other sales data prior to choosing the sales being presented in their report.

No one sale makes or breaks. Or overrides all the other sales.

"Ah, you found an apparent outlier. Good for you. But it doesn't change what all the other sales are showing"
 
No one sale - regardless of its source - should be of significant effect on the opinion of an appraiser who analyzed - to one degree or another - 30 or 40 other sales data prior to choosing the sales being presented in their report.

No one sale makes or breaks. Or overrides all the other sales.

"Ah, you found an apparent outlier. Good for you. But it doesn't change what all the other sales are showing"
I agree! Unfortunately, depressingly few people who make a living selling their lending risk onto the bond market seem to care about that concept. What they do care about, however, is making their deals work, and they are the ones that are calling the balls and strikes. Implicit in their decision-making as well, are the realtors who will tell them, "you make these deals work, and I will bring you every deal I do. You don't, I take all of my business down the street to your competitor." The outcome of that conversation is generally "scam artist" (1), "honest appraiser" (0). Reliance upon so-called "comparables" which weren't properly exposed to the market makes it easier for evildoers in the mortgage industry to flourish. So, to paraphrase yourself, are we discussing "the way things actually are"? Or "the way they should be"?
 
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Your observations are not incorrect. Let's just hope one of the free-bleeders doesn't come along and smear you as an anti-appraiser shill just because you can see the obvious.

Every client who chooses the dishonest over the honest understands fully which is which. They know who is doing right and who is doing wrong. They share what they know with their peers, too; so word gets around. That appraiser/client relationship where the client knows exactly what the appraiser's ethics are - that "word gets around" is the wellspring of the public's perception of the appraisal profession in general, appraisers as a group and that appraiser as an individual.

All I can tell you about these clients and your competition is that water seeks its own level. The lenders that are playing games with appraisals are doing the same in all their other due diligence. That's how they come under more scrutiny and how the appraisals they're using are getting dragged into the fray. The other lenders that are trying to do right don't get hassled as hard.

A long time ago I worked for an SFR fee shop where that principal was always forced to take in work from clients he wouldn't have otherwise had to do if he wasn't warrying a fee shop on his back. He was under pressure and arguing with clients and borrowers and the lenders he was submitting to on a weekly basis. It was so bad he had an attorney - how many fee appraisers need to keep their atty on speed dial?

Anyways, the non-stop drama finally caught up with him and he ended up losing his appraiser's license over a conflict of interest allegation. I don't know the truth of that situation but I do know that watching his operation was what cured me of any ambitions to run a fee shop or otherwise leverage my signature.
 
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