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Integra’s Chairman On Current Appeal Of National Appraisal Firms As Acquisition Targets

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Another bash the bad residential appraiser thread. As above so below.

And who created the repetition? All together standardize the mailing address. And here are the rating that must be used. unbelievable.

All hail the secondary market.
 
We should have licensure requirements that are just as strict as those professions.
There are LAW SCHOOLS and there are ACCOUNTING DEGREES...How many colleges even have COURSES in real estate appraising? AND, the world of appraising is far more catholic than mere secondary market house valuing. This is not brain surgery but specialization of appraising and banks being required to use certified appraisers means that the Forester also has to get an appraisal license, etc. etc. And some argue the MAI are so flawless but when I saw the work of an MAI who included the value of the mineral rights and said in the report that there "were no sales on minerals and they rarely sell" in the same county I had identified nearly 100 sales in the previous year and the average value of those sales was probably four times the value the MAI allowed. The reason I got to look at the report? The CPA preparing the return refused to accept that value for the minerals and hired me. "I'm not putting my license on the line for that..." was her reasoning.
 
Another bash the bad residential appraiser thread. As above so below.

And who created the repetition? All together standardize the mailing address. And here are the rating that must be used. unbelievable.

All hail the secondary market.

I'm not really interested in bashing residential appraisers. I am interested in elevating the standing of my profession.

Is it really so hard to write a cogent sentence or two here? I have no idea what you are saying.
 
First of all, these are thoughtful answers to difficult questions.
That is a big question. There are many explanations going back to FIRREA and the S&L crisis.

In the recent past, I would say the Appraisal Institute, and appraisers generally, have failed to elevate the profession to a level similar to the legal and accountancy professions.

We should have licensure requirements that are just as strict as those professions. Something similar to the MAI comprehensive exam should be the minimum standard of test for a license in every state. As it stands, the CPA and Bar exams are orders of magnitude more difficult. This simply should not be.
100% agree. When licensing came into play, the big concern was whether there would be enough appraisers. As a result, the initial tests were comically simple. Licensing/certification gave legitimacy to a bunch of marginally competent appraisers who immediately began marketing themselves based on fee to clients whose only concern was regulatory compliance. This started the downward spiral.
I would argue that separate licenses for residential appraisers should be eliminated. All licensed appraisers should have the ability to appraise any asset class. The simplicity and repetitive nature of residential appraisal work is not dissimilar to a lot of low end legal work. The business model should be similar. Just as licensed attorneys doing say, divorces, have virtually all of the work done by paralegals, residential appraisers should fall into a similar category. This would eliminate many highest and best use errors that residential appraisers don't understand, and it would better position the industry as a whole to adapt to the use of data mining and statistical analysis for residential appraisal.
I can hear the howls already ... likening residential appraisers to paralegals. I don't disagree that there are differences in complexity in appraisal work, but I don't think the split comes in residential vs commercial. Much commercial work is mind-numbingly simple as well. I can see the benefits to a single license in that it would reduce confusion among the public.
I would say that appraisers themselves are to blame in many instances. Our internet presence is pathetic compared to other professions, but the number of ridiculous posts I see complaining about, for example, college degree requirements is just sad. Many appraisers simply do not conduct themselves as professionals, and it should therefore not be surprising the market does not consider us as such. Someone actually responded to this thread claiming state licenses reduced our professional standing. Could you imagine anyone making such a claim about lawyers or accountants?
I think you are talking about me :-). My one word answer is consistent with your thoughts that licensing/certification is too easy and the plethora of licensing levels simply serves to cheapen all of them. That being said, I agree that we are our own worst enemy.
Lastly, it is imperative that large appraisal firms have the same risk as accountancy firms. The SEC does not accept filings prepared by convicted felons, whether those are individuals or corporate entities. Federal regulations should be amended such that banks cannot accept appraisal reports prepared by convicted felons, including whole organizations.
In concept, that's a great idea. In practice, apart from Arthur Andersen, I don't really recall any professional firm being held to this standard. It may be more useful as a death-penalty hammer than anything else.
As it stands, this industry increasingly seems to be in free fall. There are far too many appraisers, far too many unqualified appraisers, and we have a public relations disaster on our hands. Desperate times require desperate measures.
"May you live in interesting times" is a supposed Chinese curse. Well, we as appraisers are now certainly living in interesting times.
 
I thought it was a excellent post and answer to the question. One of the best posts I have seen on this site. Nailed it.
 
Every MAI appraisal i have seen has been a blow out. Every one. They give a new definition to stretching. Rubber bands do not pull that far. I wish they would ban them from my communities due to the harm they have created.
 
There are LAW SCHOOLS and there are ACCOUNTING DEGREES...How many colleges even have COURSES in real estate appraising? AND, the world of appraising is far more catholic than mere secondary market house valuing. This is not brain surgery but specialization of appraising and banks being required to use certified appraisers means that the Forester also has to get an appraisal license, etc. etc. And some argue the MAI are so flawless but when I saw the work of an MAI who included the value of the mineral rights and said in the report that there "were no sales on minerals and they rarely sell" in the same county I had identified nearly 100 sales in the previous year and the average value of those sales was probably four times the value the MAI allowed. The reason I got to look at the report? The CPA preparing the return refused to accept that value for the minerals and hired me. "I'm not putting my license on the line for that..." was her reasoning.

One of the hallmarks of a reasonable and thoughtful man is the recognition that anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Your story is an interesting one, but it serves only as entertainment and not the basis of a rational argument.

There are a great many incompetent and unethical lawyers and accountants. Clearly, I am aware of this as I reference the downfall of Arthur Andersen, once the premier accountancy firm in America.

As for the courses and education, the lack of specialized education is more a reflection of the downward trend of appraisal towards something more like a trade than a profession. There once were several schools with such programs - here in New York CUNY and NYU both offered degrees in real estate appraisal as recently as 15 years ago.

That is not a problem we can solve overnight, but I would certainly support broadening such course offerings. The classwork required to get the MAI designation is actually more than the coursework required to sit for the CPA exam (only 150 hours).
 
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I don't really the see the post as saying that MAI are flawless or are so great. The licensing standard for appraisal compared to bar exam or CPA exam really is why we are not on a similar level with those professions. I don't know what is in the MAI exam but that would probably be on a similar level with the bar or CPA exams. The original licensing standard for appraisal is more like barber or plumber.
 
I don't really the see the post as saying that MAI are flawless or are so great. The licensing standard for appraisal compared to bar exam or CPA exam really is why we are not on a similar level with those professions. I don't know what is in the MAI exam but that would probably be on a similar level with the bar or CPA exams. The original licensing standard for appraisal is more like barber or plumber.

Precisely.
 
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