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"InventWood". -- New Materials Technology.

Looks like ChatGPT is just parroting their sales pitch. Also, the statement "Impact on appraisal: As new homes adopt this and similar new materials, existing homes will decrease in value." does not seem credible. AI, AI, AI

Through the late 1990s California Ranch Style homes were pretty much at the top of the pricing tier, in fact, I would say through about 2002-3. Then came the Mediterranean style subdivisions. Those were nice houses you currently find in large subdivisions in Elk Grove and the rest of the Central Valley - and where land was available in the SF Bay Area. These set a new standard: Nicely tiled floors, stucco exteriors, tile roofs, marble countertops and so on. Very nice, very well built California Ranch homes which would have previously commanded significantly higher prices couldn't really compete with the Mediterranean style homes by 2005+. Cal. Ranch houses dropped in value, in many cases by 20-30% by 2006. Then, of course, came disaster. But, those Elk Grove homes are still nice.

Nowadays, we are having additional forces from a different direction: Insurance companies, who look at the details of construction and site maintenance. They want to see fire, tornado, flood, earthquake resistant homes. - Also aging Baby-boomers who can't afford to maintain their homes as they get old with substantial drops in income.

IF companies, such as InventWood are successful in selling their super construction material products to builders, and they become the new norm, there could indeed be downward pressure on existing home prices. Of course, don't forget the machine built homes as well.

Indeed, common sense is that this will happen in many large areas over the next 20–30 years. I need to look at these new subdivisions being built all over California. From the pictures, they don't look impressive. They look cheap in many cases. I've got to go on a new subdivision trip someday. But at this time, I wouldn't advice anyone to buy one as any kind of investment. Nope. Better to wait 5–10 years and see drastically improved construction appear.
 
So.....where do you pickup some InventWood? IKEA?
 
So.....where do you pickup some InventWood? IKEA?
As already stated a couple of times, they are taking pre-orders for this summer. However, a builder would have to first make sure that that local building standards will allow these new materials to be used and that other issues related to connecting the materials into a house have been worked out and are acceptable. Also, I would wait at least several years to make sure the kinks, if any, have been worked out. We don't know the details on InventWood's "SuperWood". It's too new.


This does sound like the real thing, though:

"InventWood has received significant recognition and support, including a $20 million SCALEUP award from the U.S. Department of Energy in 2022, as well as funding from prominent organizations including Grantham, Builders Vision, JLL Foundation, and Baruch Future Ventures. With over $50 million in total capital secured, the company is poised to revolutionize the construction industry."
 
There isn’t much factual information on the web, which is a red flag.
Sounds a bit like laminated lumber (LVL) with a finish veneer. LVLs are about 2x as strong as steel on a weight basis.

Generally:


Specifically:



 
My son sells commercial roofing and siding and he's working a major job at Purdue Univ. They wanted thermally modified wood for the exterior of the building. It is expensive. He said that he could cover the exterior of the building in big screen TV's cheaper than using the wood the architect spec'd out but it is a university so cost is no object.
 

This is interesting. Many people talked about this on reddit. They have various scientific levels of understanding and engineering based questions. A suggested read.

Chemicals, leaching, compression, heat gain and heat retention qualities, various structural integrity differences, questions on pre drilling, pliability and ability of regular laborers to work with the product, etc, etc. At first I was thinking this is some form of petrified wood. Which it actually is, in a certain way, but with a different process. Once when I was doing all this fence research for how to make the fence last as long as possible I read about a fossilization process one can apply, but it's complicated and expensive. So we went with regular clear waterproof and got the job done with a bucket, a few paint brushes, and a dozen or so cans of Thomsons from wal mart. And I've even sprayed it down, and re sealed it once a decade later and that project went well too.

I ran across a guy once whom went for the 100 year roof, he was all in his remodeling. Then he pulled that roof off for a traditional and paid all over again for regular high impact, said every time it rained or hailed they heard it all through the home because despite durability, it had practically no sound or sound absorption comparison. He also put on cement filament siding which he really liked, but also said most cell phones stopped working in many areas inside, and it took him ten times the install, as he had to pre drill everything and lost more material if something was not exactly perfect on the size up. And was a little disappointed it was not quite as simple to set up christmas lights, etc. That dude was a pro construction guy whom knew how to do everything himself, even built his own custom kitchen and dining cabinets with traditional handworking woodshop tools, it was pretty amazing.

That's the thing with new technology and materials, the people working with the material will have to be able to use it. And then home owners will have to know all about it as well. Care needs to be clearly described and the labor available to be sourced easily anywhere. Investors and inventors can throw a lot of money into the concept but that does not mean everyone will embrace it or be able to shift gears to use the material. Think new FNMA forms for appraisers. Nobody else is going to voluntarily adopt this outside of GSE lending.

Me as a consumer; But I like real wood. I know how to work with it, so do all the every day laborers so I get service at an expected avg market rate, it's simple enough to paint and change the colors, screw in a dish for tv or chrismas light hook, repair as necessary, replace one piece at a time if needed, and is there any chance of chemical leeching, offgassing, extra heat gain, etc, etc. Is this product available at lowes and home depot? I'd immediately ask technical questions about the product most people would not be able to answer. Which is exactly why we prefer older homes; Standard reliable materials. Real copper piping. Real wood framing and joists not pressboard, full plank hardwoods vs engineered flooring, hopefully you can still get a true iron pipe and old fashioned solid iron soak tub already there or put into in the laundry area. Products guaranteed to last. If anyone wants to 3d print me something out of this material, I'll take a christmas tree complete with incandescent lighting, so I don't have to toss the disposable one every year or two.

Things to know about, keep your eye on the material. We've been hearing about this sort of thing for some time though. Don't always believe the hype. Custom formed 3d printed blocks, a fancy forever glue to bind them, pressed organic material to form renewable building materials from recycled substances, heat and energy recapture devices, grey water systems, the list goes on. Where are they now? How come we don't see them in commercial? We're still seeing the same old routine, regular sprinklers, gutters, grass, square windows, municipal tie ins, etc, etc, on commercial and most residential.

For all the potential new technology offered, what we really get is a bunch of spyware, monetization of consumer habits, health destroying wireless and jumpers instead of hard wired, garages without a side door, smaller lots, hoa controls and restrictions, and a stream of never ending plastic items which is basically destined for a landfill. Ignore the fact that barn rescue is a thing and garage finds are worth more than brand new items, and a never ending stream of tech updates and ewaste streams we are forced to adopt in order to continue operating in our particular working space. We have a problem with 'planned obsolescene' with corporations which will need answered before any new technology will be able to be so widely adopted as people may hope.

Have you seen the light bulb conspiracy video? Planned obsolescene is the biggest thing. If we could reign in companies whom did this, the action would save more resources and be more environmentally sound than any of these new building and material technologies, by exponential factors.

Posted from my HP early version Win 7 pro now fitted to 10, but not capable of 11 (thankfully), on an HP Envoy and twenty + year old HP 20" monitor.

 
There isn’t much factual information on the web, which is a red flag.
Sounds a bit like laminated lumber (LVL) with a finish veneer. LVLs are about 2x as strong as steel on a weight basis.
No mention of approx. cost of material or difficulty in installation. They only mention 2 products, beams and exterior "facade" material. I will venture to guess that it will be expensive for the material and installation costs. IMO it will not catch on except maybe in high end structures
 
No mention of approx. cost of material or difficulty in installation. They only mention 2 products, beams and exterior "facade" material. I will venture to guess that it will be expensive for the material and installation costs. IMO it will not catch on except maybe in high end structures
It’s a great concept and I wish them well but I don’t see this coming up to scale anytime soon. Also, it would require a complete structural redesign if used for framing, which is all based on 1.5”x 3.5”lumber.

As per the website and your thoughts, architectural atheistics looks to be the primary initial use, which is cool in and of itself.
 

This is interesting. Many people talked about this on reddit. They have various scientific levels of understanding and engineering based questions. A suggested read.

Chemicals, leaching, compression, heat gain and heat retention qualities, various structural integrity differences, questions on pre drilling, pliability and ability of regular laborers to work with the product, etc, etc. At first I was thinking this is some form of petrified wood. Which it actually is, in a certain way, but with a different process. Once when I was doing all this fence research for how to make the fence last as long as possible I read about a fossilization process one can apply, but it's complicated and expensive. So we went with regular clear waterproof and got the job done with a bucket, a few paint brushes, and a dozen or so cans of Thomsons from wal mart. And I've even sprayed it down, and re sealed it once a decade later and that project went well too.

I ran across a guy once whom went for the 100 year roof, he was all in his remodeling. Then he pulled that roof off for a traditional and paid all over again for regular high impact, said every time it rained or hailed they heard it all through the home because despite durability, it had practically no sound or sound absorption comparison. He also put on cement filament siding which he really liked, but also said most cell phones stopped working in many areas inside, and it took him ten times the install, as he had to pre drill everything and lost more material if something was not exactly perfect on the size up. And was a little disappointed it was not quite as simple to set up christmas lights, etc. That dude was a pro construction guy whom knew how to do everything himself, even built his own custom kitchen and dining cabinets with traditional handworking woodshop tools, it was pretty amazing.

That's the thing with new technology and materials, the people working with the material will have to be able to use it. And then home owners will have to know all about it as well. Care needs to be clearly described and the labor available to be sourced easily anywhere. Investors and inventors can throw a lot of money into the concept but that does not mean everyone will embrace it or be able to shift gears to use the material. Think new FNMA forms for appraisers. Nobody else is going to voluntarily adopt this outside of GSE lending.

Me as a consumer; But I like real wood. I know how to work with it, so do all the every day laborers so I get service at an expected avg market rate, it's simple enough to paint and change the colors, screw in a dish for tv or chrismas light hook, repair as necessary, replace one piece at a time if needed, and is there any chance of chemical leeching, offgassing, extra heat gain, etc, etc. Is this product available at lowes and home depot? I'd immediately ask technical questions about the product most people would not be able to answer. Which is exactly why we prefer older homes; Standard reliable materials. Real copper piping. Real wood framing and joists not pressboard, full plank hardwoods vs engineered flooring, hopefully you can still get a true iron pipe and old fashioned solid iron soak tub already there or put into in the laundry area. Products guaranteed to last. If anyone wants to 3d print me something out of this material, I'll take a christmas tree complete with incandescent lighting, so I don't have to toss the disposable one every year or two.

Things to know about, keep your eye on the material. We've been hearing about this sort of thing for some time though. Don't always believe the hype. Custom formed 3d printed blocks, a fancy forever glue to bind them, pressed organic material to form renewable building materials from recycled substances, heat and energy recapture devices, grey water systems, the list goes on. Where are they now? How come we don't see them in commercial? We're still seeing the same old routine, regular sprinklers, gutters, grass, square windows, municipal tie ins, etc, etc, on commercial and most residential.

For all the potential new technology offered, what we really get is a bunch of spyware, monetization of consumer habits, health destroying wireless and jumpers instead of hard wired, garages without a side door, smaller lots, hoa controls and restrictions, and a stream of never ending plastic items which is basically destined for a landfill. Ignore the fact that barn rescue is a thing and garage finds are worth more than brand new items, and a never ending stream of tech updates and ewaste streams we are forced to adopt in order to continue operating in our particular working space. We have a problem with 'planned obsolescene' with corporations which will need answered before any new technology will be able to be so widely adopted as people may hope.

Have you seen the light bulb conspiracy video? Planned obsolescene is the biggest thing. If we could reign in companies whom did this, the action would save more resources and be more environmentally sound than any of these new building and material technologies, by exponential factors.

Posted from my HP early version Win 7 pro now fitted to 10, but not capable of 11 (thankfully), on an HP Envoy and twenty + year old HP 20" monitor.


Yes, of course. There are ramifications to choosing materials that, in isolation, seem to have superior characteristics. Ideally you want a home that will last 300 years, withstand tornadoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, landslides, 1 in 300 year thunderstorms, wild fires and so on. - And even nuclear attacks if you are one of those "Preppers". And on top of all that, you want it to be soundproof enough not to be bothered by outside or interior noise, and you want to be able to get by if the power goes out. You probably don't want gas - because of the possibility of CO off gas, and so on and so forth.

Builders have their checklists. Oh yea, don't forget the codes.

So, for example, if you wanted to possibly use InventWood for the next house you plan on building a couple of years down the road, you need to consider the ramifications. DO NOT THINK you can substitute a new material for an old for some component of the house and be done with it. If you use a hard outer shell with poor acoustic characteristics, you will need to compensate that with consideration for improved acoustics.

A "perfect home" could be very, very expensive --->. And looking at it from the outside, you might not even see the difference. In fact, that is often the case with extremely solid foundations - which can be very expensive. You won't see the difference. Contractors who build homes for themselves, often overdo the foundations at some expense, and then when they go to sell the house --- they rarely get the money back the spent. That's just the way it is. If you build such a house, it would be to keep in the family for generations. And with respect to a 300 year house, - you need to figure out how to design it so it can be easily altered for future requirements. An interesting challenge.
 
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