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Is Uber The AMC Model ? Mit Study Says Uber Drivers Make Less Than Min. Wage

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There are a number of potential similarities between the dynamic of Uber/Lyft & traditional taxi service and AMCs/Appraisers. None of it has to do with the products they provide. Everything has to do with the disruption to a traditional service platform and how technology changed the environment.

Its a process analysis and comparison. Not a product analysis and comparison. ;)
 
Its a process analysis and comparison. Not a product analysis and comparison. ;)

Apples and oranges,

Else, every time someone needed a ride someplace, it would come with Federal Instructions not to talk to the driver, not to give the driver any directions, they could not pay the driver, not even a tip, and most importantly, if the driver dropped them off at a place the driver liked better, the rider could not complain about it because the rider wasn't the intended rider in the first place.

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It is interesting for me to wonder if the AMC dynamic/strategy of of recruiting all (or many) appraisers in a market and forcing them to compete against each other in the digital world is going to start taking over in other/all industries. Good for the consumer, devastating to incomes. Henry Ford was widely considered a genius regarding his strategy of paying his workers a higher wage, which in-turn resulted in more sales of his product. Uber and appraisal illustrate the opposite outcome. I'm not a communist or anything, but there is something to be said about hording too much money in too few hands. I found it interesting our last economic crash occurred directly after a period when gas prices were through the roof, a great example of hording too much money in too few hands. Gas prices have been stable and relatively low for some time and looky-there, our economy is booming. Not a supported conclusion, just an observation.
 
It is interesting for me to wonder if the AMC dynamic/strategy of of recruiting all (or many) appraisers in a market and forcing them to compete against each other in the digital world is going to start taking over in other/all industries. Good for the consumer, devastating to incomes. Henry Ford was widely considered a genius regarding his strategy of paying his workers a higher wage, which in-turn resulted in more sales of his product. Uber and appraisal illustrate the opposite outcome.
Uber (IMO) was a disruption to the existing process; one that happened fairly quickly and has had a significant impact on the traditional taxi service. There were always alternatives to a traditional taxi, but none as widely available today (AMCs have had a bigger footprint prior to their widespread adoption after HVCC, but certainly HVCC was the tipping point).
The taxi industry, like appraising, is highly regulated as well. Uber is not as deeply regulated (like AMCs) but much talk about increasing their regulations. Obviously, appraisers have a higher level of training than taxi drivers (I never said... I didn't think I would have had to say... there aren't differences there); but the similarity as a disruptive force interrupting a traditional service platform seems to be there (at least to me).

Further, Uber (I'll just say "Uber" to represent all the Uber-like companies) is using technology to a greater degree than traditional taxi service to connect the consumer with car/driver. Taxi companies are playing catch-up in this regard.
There is a technological advantage that AMCs have over independent appraisers. I'm not saying that independent appraisers cannot avail themselves to those same technologies and eliminate the advantage (just as taxi companies are attempting to do) but it exists.

Somewhat funny. You'd think, in a battle to get an upper edge, there'd be interest in looking at historical models to see if there are any similarities in other industries where such battles have been or are being fought? (I'm not making this comment against you, FC).

Uber and appraisal illustrate the opposite outcome.
vs. Heny Ford.

So far, that may be the case. It would be foolish to kill the goose (appraisers) that lay the golden egg.
I look at Costco and Walmart as an alternative model. Costco and Walmart's pricing is an advantage to the consumer. Costco doesn't sell junk (some might think Walmart does: I happen to like shopping there myself!). But what they do sell is sold at a low margin and they make it up on volume (Costco, on their membership.... which sounds similar to the cost-plus model if you ask me! :)).
It is not in the best interests of Costco or Walmart to grind their vendors down so that their vendors go out of business. It is in the best interests of Costco and Walmart to hit that sweet-spot where they can get their product at the lowest reasonable price while their vendors can continue to earn a profit and stay in business.
However, Costco and Walmart are fine with their vendors competing against one another to offer their product at a price they (the vendor) think they can make money and beat the other competitor. That's what's happening with appraisers and the AMCs.

I see only two (realistic) ways to break out of this model at this time:
A. Find consumers (clients) who don't shop at Costco or Walmart and are willing to buy direct.
B. Fine-tune your product so that you can make a profit selling to Costco or Walmart. Obviously, in the Costco/Walmart world, there are vendors that are doing that and they are successful.


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I'll add a third one: but it doesn't change the competitive force that exists between appraisers pricing their product:
C. Go to a Cost-Plus Model.
 
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Should I even get into this quagmire ( on a personal note, just picked up a great client, one more to a growing list of non AMC clients so there is hope)

Comparing AMC's and appraisers to Walmart and Costco and consumer goods is like comparing jet planes and worms, they have almost nothing in common. ( sorry Denis ) Comparing mass merchandisers and their mass production suppliers to limited market for appraisals and time intensive professional service ( appraisal ) -? The suppliers for mass merchants charge low because they can mass produce millions of units. Appraisers can not increase production output beyond a modest amount , thus they can never really make up for low pay in volume on a sustainable or meaningful scale. .

There are a number of potential similarities between the dynamic of Uber/Lyft & traditional taxi service and AMCs/Appraisers. None of it has to do with the products they provide. Everything has to do with the disruption to a traditional service platform and how technology changed the environment. Its a process analysis and comparison. Not a product analysis and comparison

UBER/Lyft et are about technology and innovation, AMC's are about market control and exploitation. I am not an AMC "hater", but that is the truth. Technology used to get orders or send orders or review orders is same/similar for direct lenders as for sending to and from an AMC. They both use websites, portals auto review programs email or apps etc. It' s not about technology, it's about AMC's gained control a share of a limited market ( lender appraisals ) and skim profit from it. They innovated nothing and provide no new opportunities to the existing pool of ( appraisers), they act as a middleman relieving some burden from lenders and take a fee from appraisers for doing so.

UBER's genius was in noticing tens of millions of people own cars and the cars sit idle most of the time, followed by some of these people might want to earn money with their cars. Match that with tens of millions of people needing rides who are paying high rates for taxis, and they found a legal ( not everywhere) way of working around the taxi license by calling it a ride sharing service. THAT was the innovation, the app simply makes it convenient and fast, their timing was perfect as more people now use smart phones. UBER, even if pay is not great., provided a new opportunity for millions of people to make $. from something they already own - their car. What new opportunity does an AMC provide to the small set of licensed appraisers ? None, because without the AMC the lender would simply engage the appraiser direct. for the work .
 
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The ONLY thing that makes uber viable is cell phones and text messages, and Siri with Google Maps.

Nothing else new.

Taxi companies can and have done the same thing for years - minus Siri and Google Maps. Back in the 70s taxi cabs had hard wired analog cell phones.

What has changed is that the government and insurance companies allow non-taxi drivers in POVs that are not held to the public transportation laws

to transport the public for a fee, without a taxi license, or government verification of substantial insurance policies.

That's where the real "change" is.

No different than if the government suddenly said, you don't need a certification to be an appraiser. Just a tablet and MLS access, you to can be a uber appraiser.

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I went to UBER site- four minutes to sign up and drive for UBER, vs 2 years ( aprox) to get an appraiser license...and these are being compared? okay dokay...

AMC's use technology but do not exist because of technology; note that direct lender or other kinds of appraisal work originators use the same/similar technology to assign or deliver as an AMC.

Regarding UBER and pay, note that neither UBER nor Lyft utilizes technology to pit their drivers against each other to get lower rated from them, or to bid out a ride to the cheapest ( as an AMC might do to select an appraiser ). The company charges rates that can differ per region, time of day etc, but within that ALL DRIVERS CHARGE THE SAME RATE SET BY UBER. The app is not used to find the cheapest driver, or bid out a ride to the driver cutting their rate, the app matches up passanger and driver by which driver is in the area. less.
 
If you guys say so.

Here's an article (short read) that talks about Uber's success and discusses how its business model (as popular as it is) isn't that secure as what it does can be replicated by smaller players.
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/286683

I thought I read where Marion suggested that appraisers designate themselves as AMCs :). I think one of the advantages of AMCs is their technology platforms; but I did say appraisers could replicate it (to their smaller scale) to take away that advantage. The article touches upon the same thing in regard to Uber competitors.

But, I'll drop this line of thought here since it is comparing apples with oranges (a comparison that works well if one is evaluating the structure and process of orchards/ag-business rather than the individual product, but one that apparently doesn't work for us).
 
I went to UBER site- four minutes to sign up and drive for UBER, vs 2 years ( aprox) to get an appraiser license...and these are being compared? okay dokay....

And therein is why this thread is stupid.

Did you also sign up for your UBER CE? Pay for your UBER license, sit for the UBER test? Be trained to be UBER? And if you drive for UBER to you expect that someone will turn you into the state for signaling a right hand turn at 98 feet from the intersection, instead of the required 100 feet from the intersection.

But heck, as long as appraisers believe UBER drivers can appraise, why not throw some more kool aid at the kids? Keeps them busy and distracted.

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