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Life estate VS fee simple

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A life estate (or life lease as we commonly call them) is granted from the deed holder to the life estate holder for the purpose of that holders right to retain and use a specific property for the balance of their lives. Normally, the right is granted to one party (could be a dog I guess). However, the holder of the life lease cannot sell that right to a third party since the right is granted exclusively to one person by name. The life lease is not transferable. And therefore, if it is not transferable, it has no market value because a market does not exist.


In the OP, the property was the subject of the appraisal and it is certainly true that the remainder man can sell their interest in the property SUBJECT TO the life estate that exists on the property. Therefore the question is, is the value of the property diminished by the life estate which is in place? Will a buyer pay less for a property they will not get to occupy or use or receive rent from during the life of the life estate holders tenancy?
That is the real thrust of the original posters question and further supports why the value of the remainder estate would most probably be less than that of the fee simple estate.
 
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Tizzie Up and Active!!!!!! LOL

Mr. Santora, " Pur Autre Vie " means the measuring life is someone other than the Life Tenant.

But I agree I may have to amend my post # 157 last paragraph a bit. And that the courts may have issues with monkey being the measuring life.

;)

Webbed.
 
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<..... snip..... >That is the real thrust of the original posters question and further supports why the value of the remainder estate would most probably be less than that of the fee simple interest.

P.E.

Due to my post 157 possible error I think we better say "Fee Simple Absolute" and not fee simple "interest" ... or this can get really messed up. As far as terms go a "vested remainder" exists, I'm not so sure about a "vested fee simple remainder interest," which I don't think is worded right. It should be more like "fee simple remainder, vested in interest," which means a future interest in the return of the fee simple absolute estate.

We better not start interchanging the word "interest" with the word "estate" or I'll never get out of this thread! ....

And if this gets into vested or contingent remainders..... I'll need some good drugs and soothing music in order to get through it... Here, everybody can do some reading. My eyes are tired.

http://www.nsulaw.nova.edu/faculty/documents/paragrap.htm#rem

Have a great weekend everyone!

Webbed.
 
Mr. Santora, " Pur Autre Vie " means the measuring life is someone OTHER than the Life Tenant.
Once A sells the tenancy to B, the duration of the B tenancy is measured by the life of another person. person A.
 
But rights are always transferred to someone or something by name, why does the fact that there is a name make a difference now?
The rights being transfered are for a specific use by a specific user. They are not transferable.

If they are transferable, able to be conveyed by selling or exchange, I challenge someone out there to produce a listing or a sale of a life estate or life lease that has exchanged on the open market.

Lacking any evidence that such a sale has ever existed, I would tend to conclude that a life estate/lease cannot be transfered and therefore has no intrinsic value.
 
Since the Life Estate has no value, you can appraise the fee simple value of the property and let the lender client worry about the leasehold interest.

Why would you appraise a set a rights that do not exist as of the date of value; i.e., a set of rights that can't be bought or sold?

Did the client ask for this hypothetical property to be appraised and say that they would worry about the rest?
 
The rights being transfered are for a specific use by a specific user. They are not transferable. .
All rights transferred are specific rights for a specific user.

I challenge someone out there to produce a listing or a sale of a life estate or life lease that has exchanged on the open market.
And I challenge you to provide evidence beyond simply repeating a misguided opinion.
 
Once A sells the tenancy to B, the duration of the B tenancy is measured by the life of another person. person A.

Mr. Santora, I didn't mean you were wrong, I meant you misspelled it. It's "pur" not "por."

:new_llying:

Seriously, I had gotten tired and got my A, Bs, and Cs, mixed up finally. I concede your correctness on that one versus my tired tizzy. Hope you have fun this weekend. Looks like Oregon is going to get rain the entire time.

Webbed.
 
Mr. Santora, I didn't mean you were wrong, I meant you misspelled it. It's "pur" not "por."

Are you sure it is not pour. "Por" is not a word, "Pur" means "pure" or "non-alcoholic drink", "Pour" is the preposition equivalent to the English "For". We are talking French here, correct? The literal translation is "For another's life". I took four solid years of French and my most confident sentence remains "J'AI besoin de stylo".

Just to add my 2 cents, I've been following but not writing.

A life estate has value. In fact, a life estate can be encumbered by a lien, which happens often enough in the case of medical expenses unpaid by the life estate holder. This lien would have to be satisfied with whatever value is left in the life estate upon the death of the holder. In fact it is possible in some states by law that such liens survive the death of the life tenant and encumber the third party's remainder interest. Minnesota is one of them, though a case is before the Minnesota's supreme court challenging its constitutionality.

I read the original post differently than what PE says it says. In the engagement letter, the client should state what interest we are appraising. PE reads it to say that the Life Estate interests were to be appraised, and in such a case then, that is what should be considered.

For tax purposes, from the point of view the of the remainder interest, in a tax appeal let's say, it would be the fair market value. In that case it will likely be something less than fee simple market value because the fee simple interest is encumbered by the life estate (and I know the Duck doesn't like "encumbered" but the law cases I have read on the matter have no problem with stating encumbered by the life estate and no one was laughed out of the court (at least in the abstract) for using such terms).

I was under the impression the OP called for a mortgage appraisal, which is typically the value of the property in fee simple, and all assumptions necessary to make are built into the form. I know a lot of people don't like the "built into the form" thing. Oh well, that's just how it is. The scope of work is fully included and it tells the reader the Fee Simple interests are being appraised and that the appraiser is rendering no opinions otherwise on title.

Each time I get a mortgage appraisal order on a house held in a life estate (and yes I get them regularly, I just got one three days ago), I call the client and tell them up front what the ownership is. This usually puts the order on hold and in some cases the order is cancelled. But in other cases they tell me they have the agreements in place by both parties and to proceed with the appraisal where the assignment calls for the value in fee simple. This is caveated throughout the report. On this point, concerning the mortgage appraisal on the fee simple interest, is where the parties herein split company.

I don't think what I do is out of line or incorrect. I am not a lawyer. I do not pretend to know all the inner actions of the law and the nuances contained in each situation. I do know that every lawyer I have spoken to says you cannot predict the outcome of any case. I personally believe the more confidence an appraiser has on this topic, the dumber he looks...and I point the finger first and foremost at myself. But like I said, until I see a court ruling to the very specific situation I appraise in, or a state appraisal board case to the exact situation, that is against my point of view, I will continue to believe I am doing nothing wrong.
 
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