More On Free Comp Checks

[Workbox]

Don't bet on it.

It just depends on how the money was exchanged.

 

[JSmith43]

It's not entrapment to pose as a "John" to catch a prostitute.

It has a track record of being a defense against criminal charges, if the person is found to have been induced to commit an act that he/she would not otherwise have done.

"Skip" Humphrey, son of the late Senator and VP candidate, Hubert Humphrey, helped screw up his political aspirations for governor by executing an ill-conceived sting operation while AG of MN. Here are traces from my failing memory of the event. Anyone wanting the exact version can dig for it

It seems they went to great lengths to set up phony hazardous waste handling service. One of the calls, to a local cabinet shop landed them a "prize" bust, when the part time bookkeeper, senior citizen grandmother answered the phone and fell for the sales pitch.

Why yes, we have a barrel full of used paint remover and solvents. Your quote is better than the last place. I think the owner will be happy to save money.

Oops! It was 20 years ago or so, and granny forgot to scan the house and senate index for new legislation criminalizing businesses that use haulers without checking to see if they had some sort of hazardous materials license.

Cuffs for the owner, cuffs for grandma, off to jail to see the judge. Splash goes the story on the paper, local TV. Released, no charges filed by the DA, apparently the first adult in authority on the scene

Of course, the appraiser is probably not a sympathetic character

 

[Joyce Potts]

Are we talking about a venus fly trap or something along those lines?

 

[Pamela Crowley (Florida)]

It's not as if appraisers have not taken a USPAP course.

 

[Mike Kennedy]

<pssst...you forgot the part about the fee>

Kindly provide a definition of Contingency which requires any fee- you won't find one.

Fee or Free, Contingent Means Contingent.

 

[Joyce Potts]

It's not as if appraisers have not taken a USPAP course.

Pam,

EVERY SINGLE APPRAISER has taken a USPAP course.

Therein lies the problem.

 

[Non Sequitur]

Kindly provide a definition of Contingency which requires any fee- you won't find one.

Definitions? We don't need no steeenking definitions!

Or should I say want?

 

[Non Sequitur]

EVERY SINGLE APPRAISER has taken a USPAP course.

Therein lies the problem.

IMO the problem is many of the same people that think/want/support increasing education/barriers/standards in order to "elevate" the profession are the very same people that support redefining words like "comp" and support reducing the scope of work to nothing. If we can't agree on "comp" check then what in the world will a degree and designation accomplish? And what does it say about us when we think the new 2008 criteria will in some magic way elevate appraisers but at the same time support less and less in terms of SOW?

Go ahead and do your comp checks. But not a single advocate of "comp check" has ever taken the challenge to contact their board for an opinion and I'm still waiting for Mark Raney to post a cite or two in support of the "approved methods for reporting value that apply to comp searches" and his self proclaimed "USPAP approved format for replying to comp searches".

 

[Joyce Potts]

IMO the problem is many of the same people that think/want/support increasing education/barriers/standards in order to "elevate" the profession are the very same people that support redefining words like "comp" and support reducing the scope of work to nothing. If we can't agree on "comp" check then what in the world will a degree and designation accomplish? And what does it say about us when we think the new 2008 criteria will in some magic way elevate appraisers but at the same time support less and less in terms of SOW?

Go ahead and do your comp checks. But not a single advocate of "comp check" has ever taken the challenge to contact their board for an opinion and I'm still waiting for Mark Raney to post a cite or two in support of the "approved methods for reporting value that apply to comp searches" and his self proclaimed "USPAP approved format for replying to comp searches".

I'm a comp checker? Based on what? Clearly, you're behind the curve. It's probably best we don't rehash this again, since it's clear you never picked up on the real meaning of the other other threads.

 

[DaveH]

Isn't this based on mearely interputation of what USPAP is saying? And who is it that interputs USPAP and regulates us on a state by state basis?
Shouldn't the states be telling us what they think is right based on their reference to USPAP GUIDELINES? I know that many of you have been doing this longer than I have, but it really doesn't matter what we think in the long run. It's what the states decide they want to interupt as the main guideline that we have to go by. Heck a state we go after a good or a bad appraiser just based on a complaint and no supporting evidence, ask Ray about that.

What everyone fails to realize is that no matter what we think, it's what the boards think is right, whether it is a correct interputation or not. YOu can not judge any for what they are doing merely by what you think is the right interputation, it's utlimately not your decision, it's the states for which we are liscensed and certified.

WE need to work as a group to get thru this and not bad mouth anyone who is doing comp checks if they have a valid and INTERPUTED use of USPAP that the can justify in court, then who's to say that they are wrong? Not you not me just the judge and the board trying to get them. Or maybe they are right in their interputation and comp checks are not wrong if they are done within the guides of a desktop type of appraisal with a workfile and all documentation to support the value or range of value that they give.
If they don't want to charge for it, it is no ones busniness but theirs, if i wanted to charge $25 for an appraisal, I could as long as I was USPAP compliant, who can stop me.......