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Allison Workman

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I am debating on the LE1600 and the smaller LS800 based on many of your recommendations of this brand. I know some of you have the LE1600, but am curious to see of anyone has the smaller LS800 yet? Any opinions, comments, or suggestions would be appreciated! I think I want a Motion Computing Tablet since many of you seem to recommend it, but am unsure which one! I love the compactness of the LS800, but wonder if that will be hard to write on, see, etc.

Thanks in advance for you opinions! I am hoping Santa will bring me one :cool: -LOL-I doubt it though!

Also-is there anywhere to actually SEE these models in a retail store, or are the online order only?
 
Allison:

We have several of each. I personally use the LE1600 daily, but a few people use the LS800 per its much lighter weight and smaller size. As long as you specify the VA ("view anywhere") screen option, you can use these devices in almost any lighting condition. Motion has made significant improvements to their screens for this latest round of tablets. They are superior to the ones used in their previous models. FWIW, the smaller size of the LS800 MAY make it possible to not get the VA option, depending on your particular environments. That is, if you are not working in an environment in which you deal with a lot of direct sunlight, the regular LS800 performs admirably. In fact, in identical environments, the regular LS800 screen is almost as good as the VA screen on the LE1600... IF you do work in bright sunlight, VA screen option is highly recommended. The VA screen option adds about $300 to both the LS800 and the LE1600. The LS800's smaller screen is capable of 800 x 600 resolution while the LE1600 runs at 1024 x 768 resolution. Most people we show the LS800 to seem to REALLY like it, but I recommend that you set your desktop system to 800 x 600 to see if you like the way your main appraisal software looks/operates before selecting the LS800. The LS800 runs a little less than the LE1600, but not by a significant margin, so what you are getting is a similarly-powered device with lower weight and a smaller screen. If that works for you, the by all means get the LS800. We like it a lot and have sold a bunch of them to appraisal districts. Most fee appraisers love the size, but seem to opt for the larger LE1600. I think this is due to a prevailing "bigger must be better" perception. Most people who end up getting the larger one tend to say "Well, it's not THAT heavy." but later on wish it was smaller and lighter. Check the resolution and it the 800 x 600 is good for you, go for it. Don't be too concerned about the LS800's "slower" processor. In today's world, the processor speed on modern machines is not the limiting factor. If you are concerned about performance, concentrate on additional RAM and more hard drive space. We have extensive experience with both of these machines and I can tell you that in normal applications (including appraisal programs), there is no discernible "seat of the pants" speed penalty in the LS800's "slower" processor. FWIW, the 800x600 issue is not a major factor if you are using our products as we make this resolution the minimum during design. A lot of our products are sold into other vertical markets where 800 x 600 is widely used. Shop around for a dealer but make sure they will be around to support you in the future. Before spending your money, you may wish to give one of our folks a call and see about our pricing and "bundles." Many times, we can sell you a device at a price that is highly competitive to "discount" shops, and we'll go the extra mile in service and additional software loaded, etc. Finally, you did not say what forms software you use, but if you can make it to the upcoming a la mode convention in January, 2006, we will be there teaching a Mobile Technology course and we always bring lots of toys so that people can fondle the devices. For your convenience, here is a link to our page on recommended tablets. If you are not in a big hurry (some people are, to take advantage of the 2005 expense write-off thing), we will be putting up info on a couple of other new devices after the first of the year.

Here is the link: Apex Recommended Tablet PC's


Hope this helps!
 
Can you add a Verizon wireless card on the LS800? If it does, that would ROCK!
 
Thanks Robert! What an informative reply! I use WinTotal, and unfortunately will not be attending the alamode convention in Vegas as now it is sold out! I kept putting it off not knowing what my schedule would be like.

I tried my screen resolution at 600 x 800 and it's not too bad, it's just different. I wonder if the scrolling issue would annoy me with the LS800-since the screen is so small, I assume you would have to scroll through the report as a whole page would not fit on the screen, correct? Does a whole page fit on the LE1600?
 
Al:

The LS800 does not have a PCMCIA slot, so until the card is available in SD format (unlikely), the answer to your question is no. The larger chassis of the LE1600 has room for a PCMCIA slot, so you can use one in that unit. If you want a small device that does have a PCMCIA slot in it, follow the link given earlier and look at the Flybook. That device (which we have modified to have an outdoor screen) has a PCMCIA slot AND the ability to just insert a regular SIM card (like in your cell phone)... Works well with a Bluetooth headset... :-)


Allison:

I don't use WinTOTAL (I'm not an appraiser), so I'm not sure on the scrolling issue. I believe that most forms programs have a sort of "fit to page" / zoom view option, and maybe another WinTOTAL user will comment on this who has more experience. Anyway, to compare, set your desktop screen to 1024 x 768 to see how that compares. I noted that you wrote (600 x 800) which (to me) indicates that you are envisioning running the device in "portrait" mode. 600 pixels across is generally not what most appraisal forms programs are optimized for, so you might want to consider running your tablet in landscape mode. Mostly, the benefit our users report with the LS800 is it's light weight and portability compared to larger Tablets. What they tell us is that they don't try to fill out the whole forms while traversing the property - they just fill in the parts that applicable during inspection. When they get back to their car or their office, or stop for lunch, that is when they may try to fill in the rest of the form. That is, they like to get settled in before doing the analysis - they just record inspection elements while on-site. A tablet can be good for that, but for heavy form filling and commenting, most users prefer a keyboard over the Tablet PC's pen. Hence, our real go-getter types tend to either "dock" their LS800 and hook it up to a larger screen, keyboard and mouse, or they opt for a "convert-able" type Tablet PC. I'm sure you know what that is, right? Anyway, the problem with "convert-ables" is that most of them are considerably larger and heavier than even the LE1600 (which is pretty light by today's standards for slate-style Tablet PC's.) Well, the Toshiba P1510 and the Flybook are similar to the LS800 in weight, but neither are shipping with the Tablet PC Operating System as of yet. Both manufacturers have announced that they will be offering the Tablet PC OS on their machines, but we've not actually seen it yet. We have them ordered, but haven't gotten them in yet unless they came in this week. We're in the middle of an office expansion, so there are literally over 100 computer boxes lining our halls. It is possible that they came in and we;re just so busy dealing with reconfiguring servers, deploying new desktop machines, handhelds and all that and I just haven't seen them. Anyway, we expect the Toshiba product to be in first, with the more advanced (personal opinion) Flybook to follow early next year. For what it is worth, Randy recommends the X41 as a great overall convert-able Tablet PC. He says that it works pretty well out in most outdoor environments and the build quality is definitely above the others and it is very light weight for a full size Tablet PC. Finally, getting back to the "docking" concept - another thing to consider is the ultra-cool case available for the LE1600. You can leave that case in the car and "unsnap" just the slate tablet for the inspection and drop it back in to connect with the keyboard in the car. A lot of appraisers report how much they love Linda's MobileOffice desk thing. Anyway, the point is that if you are not carrying it very long, the greater weight of the LE1600 is not that much of a factor. I think what most people like about the LS800 is the size - it just "feel right"...

I hope this info helps more than it confuses. FWIW, we are scheduling several Mobile Technology courses around the country in 2006. Once we get more info back on the status of the CE credit thing, we'll be publishing it on our web site. Maybe we'll be doing something close enough to your location for you to be able to come to a class and see the new stuff. Failing that, you are always welcome to stop by our offices in San Antonio to look at anything we have. I believe we have a wide variety of units here - probably more wide and varied than most computer shops. I've lost count, but not including prototypes, I believe we have about 20 or 30 Tablet PC's in use. If you are really concerned about not buying the wrong piece, you could argue that a trip to San Antonio might actually save you money...:-) I'd ask that you wait until after the 19th, though - that's about the time we are supposed to be finalizing our moving, if you can believe the contractors and furniture people (not!)... Seriously, you are welcome to stop by anytime - just write off the weekend trip as a business expense, LOL - people who know us know that we do not do any high pressure sales stuff. Just come by and fondle the stuff so you'll get a good feeling for what all is out there.

Sorry I got so long-winded.
 
Thanks so much, Robert! I did set it for 800 x 600, but I mistyped it earlier, sorry for that confusion! I normally run my settings on 1024 x 768, and that's how I like it.

My Aunt and Uncle live in Dripping Springs, TX, so I will have to see if I can plan a trip out to see them and my 2 little cousins and stop by to see what you have-thanks so much for that offer! Heck-I could just write the whole trip off! Shhh! :banana:

I really do feel like I need to see and feel the various options before I purchase. 2K-3K might not be a lot for some, but it is a lot for me! I want to make sure I will like it and use it on a daily basis. Unlike my PDA which just collects dust at the moment! I like my Franklin Covey paper planner better!

I am going to keep researching this, and am grateful for your input!
 
Robert

I posted earlier about a hand held or lap top. In that post the table was recommended. Does a table do everyting that a lap top can do? I suppose that depends upon how much is spent for the add on features. How do most appraisers use a table. Is it ackward because of its size?

There in Oregon, we get a fair amount of rain. Does that have an impact upon a tablet being used? Does it come with a cover/case. I use a Disto for measureing but do not have the new tech variety. I use Total. Are all of the tablets compatible with this software. What is the weight of the 1600 and the 800 you spoke of? Can they connnet with the internet?

If I understand you correctly, a regular table can be docked and used with a keyboard and mouse. Does a dock station come with most tablets or is that extra. The use I intend it for is for the inspection and for my assistant to use in the car for completing additional input on the appraisal between appointments. In this way making use of that driveing time. With a lap top, it can sit on his lap with its key board and type away. How do you see a tablet being used for this type of use? Lastly, do you know of any retail dealers in Oregon where I could have a hands on experience in looking at tablets? Thanks for your posts.
Norm
 
One thing to check out-does it have bluetooth? if it does, then you could always get a bluetooth keyboard. None of them are cheap, but they generally sync well ('cept that ms thing-we've had bad experiences with the ms bluetooth key/mouse combo-we couldn't get it to work with "generic" bluetooth adaptors). The denovo from logitech is nice, with a full on keyboard, mouse, "media pad", and dongle-but lists at $200! (on the other hand, I am typing on that keyboard.) Not only does it look "cool", the feature set is very good-sidescrolling mouse, configureable mouse keys, recharging stand for the mouse, laser mouse, and the "hot keys" are kept to a minimum.

What I like about the keyboard itself is that it is fairly small-the number pad is contained on a seperate unit, so the keyboard width is relatively narrow. I can just grab the keyboard and drop it into my soft case (after taking the batteries out-otherwise I'd just need new ones when I took it back out!). Pop it out, fire up the 'ol Sony T350 subnotebook, and I'm ready to type with a full sized keyboard.

What Robert was saying about weight though-take that to the bank. I've owned three notebooks so far, and my first one likely spoiled me forever-I had one of those IBM "butterfly" notebooks-4.4 lbs, 10.4" screen, with a keyboard that popped out to a full sized keyboard as you opened the lid-I wish others would adopt a similar technique. The screen size was roughly the same as my newer sony, but the keyboard was much eaiser on the fingers. Probably would expand the thickness a bit though.

Now, if we could just get my disto plus to work with apex on my non-tablet laptop...

Seriously, I looked long and hard at the tablets out there before going with the sony subnotebook instead. Reliability and name recognition meant something to me at the time (though Sony's mis-steps in drm lately would have me making a different choice now, probably-maybe...). The recent releases of the motion tablets and the flybooks are interesting though.

As for using a tablet versus a handheld-maybe an oqo would be perfect-full on xp, in a slightly largish pocket pc form factor, with a built-in slider keyboard? The pocket pc platform, at least my experience with it (on hp & compaq pocket pc's) is just not robust enough. To many reboots, to many times I had to reload external devices (cameras, keyboards, et al), it just wasn't ready for prime time in my book. I know many use them every day-maybe I just wasn't patient enough. Regardless-I'm happy with my sub-notebook. Size wise, it is literally smaller than a sheet of notebook paper, 3.1 lbs, and fits into a bible case! I just put padding into the front and back of the cover, in zippered compartments, and the computer literally slides in and out of the case, protected by the padding when traveling. (It has the side benefit of being ignored by thieves-nobody wants to steal a Bible!)

One of the things to check out is battery life. Even though you can use a cig lighter adapater, you probably shouldn't (voltage in a car varies much more widely than even regular ac power-and you wouldn't use a computer without a surge protector or a battery back-up, would you?). For most appraisal days, 3-4 hours of actual use time is probably all that is necessary in the field-but more is better. While you can double that by adding another battery, that becomes a battery managment issue. I'm not saying a second battery isn't a good idea-it is-just that it becomes one more thing to charge every day or so (lets see, camera, cell, MLS key, pda, laptop, flashlight, disto, ipod, portable tv, generator, gasoline....no, wait, hurricane season is officially OVER!!!)-you get the idea.

It all boils down to this-are you the kind of person that gets the "latest" gadget, uses it a lot for the first month or so, and then puts it in the closet, dusting it off once in a while when you remeber that it probably needs charging?

Or are you known by everone ar Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Gadget? You have your favorite tools/toys, and they go everywhere you go? Do you look like you're doing the macarena every time you leave the house, or leave the office, or leave an inspection? You know, tap your various pockets making sure you have your cell phone, pda, disto, keys, pen, camera, MLS key, etc...?

If you fall into the former category-don't do it! Step away from your credit card, and put the phone down!

On the other hand, if you fall into the latter category-God help you-then a tablet pc may be for you! Like Robert, I tend to think lighter is better for most people, and I also think having a built in keyboard is very much over-rated. Considering the weight penalty you generally pay (the Toshiba Liberetto and Sony Viao T350 notwithstanding), I think a slate tablet (one without a keyboard-ones with a keyboard, with the twisty screen, are known as convertables-not to be confused with old Cadillacs-really!) may be a good choice, given the two newer motions and the Flybook may be just the ticket...

But your mileage may vary!
 
Great post, Bob! I'll try to "persuade" Jeff into posting some pictures of the case & keyboard for the LE1600 this week. Even so, the pictures probably won't do it justice. For someone with a "car desk", or similar, it makes good sense, IMHO.

We do NOT recommend the OQO. The only reason we have any is to show them to people in our classes. The specs make this unit seem appealing and the pictures on-line just seem to inflame people's desires (LOL) but once held in hand, one can quickly see why they are not good for most appraisers. In short, our recommendation on the OQO is, unless you know what you're getting into, don't waste your money. We'll see if the next full model improves - the current "new" model is just a "make-over" - some worthy additions, but the device is still not the best use of money for the typical appraiser/inspector. If anybody is seriously considering an OQO, please write me before you spend the money and I'll send you some info & pictures that you may find useful. I ask, though, don't write/request if you are merely "curious" - time is short and I don't have the time to send this stuff just to satisfy a curiosity. We've already done the research and our report is negative for appraisers, so if you are just curious, take our recommendation and go with it. If you are thinking "I know, I know - I still want one.", then I'll gather stuff up and send it... The main problem on time is our expansion, general Christmas schedules and new product deadlines leave me short of time right now. Of course, I also have to coerce Randy into giving me the specifics and pictures. You see, once he told us the results of his tests, showed us the pictures, etc., we just said - "Uh, OK", and moved on as researching this stuff is not as important to MY team as just having the results of one we trust. Randy and his team are geeks, and we think there are better uses of OUR time than doing this stuff.

Bob, FWIW, ALL our products can work with a DISTO Plus. DISTO Plus support has been built in for a while now. That being said, I'm not sure of whether or not the regular desktop fee appraiser version has it "turned on"... Obviously, most desktop computers aren't being toted about during inspections - LOL. However, regular laptops (i.e. non-Tablets) ARE on occasion. I'll look into this and if DISTO Plus Bluetooth support is NOT available by a user-configuration, then I'll look into see what it would take to expose the option in a future build of v3.x. That being said, it might take "an act of congress" to get a new v3.x build done. We are just releasing a new build this week for testing, and it was thought that this would be the last v3.x build since we're already 3 years+ into what will be our v4 build - the one that Randy has told people will be "revolutionary vs. evolutionary"... I cannot feign ignorance on this one, though - I am the Product Manager and this version is the one that I have had direct input/control over, so I have to be especially careful of following our own rules - we don't discuss product that is not already out, either in field trial or shipping status. While I cannot say anything about features, per se, you CAN observe that I said DISTO support is in all our appraisal products, I'm just not sure on it's status in the CURRENT v3.x... ;-)

Bob also reminds us of another very important feature of laptops - the keyboard. The old "butterfly" keyboard is probably history, which is a shame and somewhat of a surprise given the recent similar products seen for PDA's. I thought the IBM solution was particularly ingenious, bit no other manufacturers ever picked up on this. It seems that none of them really care (enough) about keyboards and when the make smaller units, they just scale the keyboard town to fit, regardless of whether it makes it harder to use or not. Anyway, FWIW, the only convert-able that we know of which is considered "light" and which has a full-size keyboard is the X41. In fact, when you see it, you might think it is the "geriatric" or "Readers Digest" keyboard. I mean that as a compliment to the designers and as an observation of how far the regular keyboards have deteriorated with respect to legibility. The keys on the X41 are full size, full travel and the "markings are plain & bold - i.e. easy to see. "Form follows Function" vs. the "Function follow Form" designs seen in most other products. Anyway, if you want a convertable that is not heavy and want it to meet or exceed your current laptop, then take a look at the X41. Not perfect (none are, huh), but worth a look. It doesn't have a true outdoor screen (one of Randy's biggies), but we've found it to work well in most non-direct sunlight environments. We are also experimenting with a couple of new screen treatments and seeing promising results, but I'll leave that to Jeff to post the results in a review. Still, the NEW Motion VA screens are hard to beat in most (including direct sun) environments. There ARE better (and, MUCH better) screens for direct sun and bright environments, but they are all either discontinued or only in higher priced devices. People rave on the Fujitsu screens, but the old 4xxx series absolutely kicks the snot out of the current stuff. Unfortunately, it is no longer available. We tested an outdoor unit this summer which was the first one we've seen to surpass the old Fujitsu screen, but again, these are ruggedized units built for mission critical type stuff, not the consumer stuff we are talking about here. If screen visibility and an extreme environment are part of your world, then this is the sort of device to look at, but just know that they are somewhat heavier and more costly. Of course, exposing a Motion tablet (or IBM or HP or Toshiba - what ever) to extreme environments (snow, sleet, heavy rain, extreme heat) is a quick way to turn your investment into a paperweight, so choose wisely.

BTW, Randy told me something interesting yesterday. He came into town for a family even we sponsored. Anyway, he didn't say this was confidential, but I'll need to be somewhat "generic" nevertheless until I ask him specifically if it can be repeated in detail. It seems that if you are in the market for an HP convertable Tablet PC and you want an outdoor screen, you might need to wait another two or three weeks. HP is about to offer a screen with greatly enhanced visibility - much better (40% better, reportedly) than what is offered now. I checked the sites and it is still not even shown as an option. So, IF you have been looking at the HP 42xx series (?) and eliminated it from your list due to the screen, then hang on - it appears that HP is about to announce a model that has an outdoor screen equal to or better than the Motion VA screen. That is all I can say for now. Even so, I'm glad Randy isn't a member here and thus doesn't monitor this site... ;-)

Now, if you find battery life the most important feature, do not forget to look at the new Scribbler slates. That is their claim to fame - long battery life. That, and their aggressive pricing for government contracts, is what lead to us being able to supply the state of Nevada with theirs. They have a decent outdoor screen option and very long battery life for such a light weight unit. It isn't the best outdoor screen out there, but it is better than even the best non-outdoor screen. This unit does NOT have Bluetooth built-in and if that is important to you, it must be added via a Bluetooth card, which ends up pricing it pretty close to the LE1600 anyway, so it's only real advantage (for most) is "group pricing" and the long battery life.

Let me say this on battery life, though. While most devices can be ordered with extended (larger capacity) batteries or additional batteries, we don't normally recommend this. True mobile devices are built to be operable via a standard car charger. This is not the case for MOST laptops, which are designed to be run off 110/120v power. Hence, with MOST Tablet PC's, it is safe to use a car charger... at least with the ones we sell/recommend. This was one of the criteria we had in our evaluations and recommendations. though it is not something we really comment too much on. The way this works is simple enough. Power goes through the battery first and the battery works as a flywheel or buffer. It is kind of like using a good UPS instead of a surge protector with your desktop. If you purchase a decent UPS, then there is no need for a surge protector... GOOD UPS units have a surge protector circuit built-in AND have the battery itself as an additional buffer. Anyway, unless your inspection times are longer than the laptop/Tablet's rated battery life, the best use of money is to just get a good car charger and save the additional weight of an extended battery or an additional standard "hot swappable" battery. IF your inspections are longer, then obviously you might need more battery run time. YMMV... The key is, of course, to use a decent car charger... Anyone wonder why the manufacturer's car charger generally costs (a little) more than the generic ones? Well, generally, there is not all that much difference, but if you use the one designed of the device, you are covered if the charger zaps your power supply. The other option is to use a quality device, such as made by Lund... ($+) In our opinion, just spend the extra $5 or so and get the recommended charger...

I must close for now. I see that I have a post to answer for Mr. White before I get ready to head out for church.

Hope this helps!
 
Norm:

I'm not sure which post you are referring to - one that a Tablet was recommended, but I imagine that the recommendation was made by someone other than me. We still feel that there are a lot of good reasons to look at Pocket PC's - especially those with good high resolution screens. Anyway, that is not really what you are asking here, is it (?), so let's address your specific questions.

For all intents and purposes, yes, a Tablet PC does everything a regular Laptop does. The screen and Operating System are the main things that separate a traditional Laptop and a Tablet PC. As for awkwardness, this is one of the debated issues here and elsewhere. Most Tablet PC's are a bit unwieldy while traversing the subject property. It is not that they are particularly large or particularly heavy - compared to laptops of even last year, most Tablets are more "svelte" - but still, when inspecting the subject property, you probably are carrying around more than just the Tablet PC... Camera, tape measure or DISTO, etc. Hence, for most it becomes a matter of how well they "juggle" stuff. Most people feel that the smaller and lighter a device is, the easier it is to be one of the balls being juggled, so to speak. Obviously, if you are comparing a Tablet PC with a PDA, the PDA is easier to slip into your pocket, fanny pack, jacket or whatever, than is a Tablet PC... With a Tablet PC, a case or sling/strap starts to become much more important for practical reasons.

As for rain (and being that you are in Oregon, I can assume sleet/snow as well?), a "raw" Tablet is not recommended during inclement weather. They are not made for this and there WILL be problems - less if you are careful, more if you are not. As mentioned in one post (can't remember when/where), LCD displays tend to "go black" in extreme cold (and heat.) This is one area in which a true ruggedized unit is recommended - they are made to take this sort of "abuse" - not just a drop to concrete, but also exposure to rain/sleet/snow and various temperature factors. Now there are a few Tablet PC's (generally, only slates) where 3rd party manufacturers have releases special cases. The one that comes to mind right now is the OtterBox (click on that link to go to their site) They have released an OtterBox for several Pocket PC's and the Fujitsu ST4000 and ST5000 series. We have used these with Motion and other Tablets as well, but they are made specifically for the Fujitsu chassis. These are a relatively inexpensive ($350) way to use a consumer-grade (vs. ruggedized) Tablet PC in cold and wet weather conditions. Since this case completely "engulfs" the device and since these consumer-grade devices need fans to keep their circuitry cool, we do NOT recommend these cases for normal (read: temperate-to warm/hot) environments. These cases DO have special vents, but they will restrict airflow since they also must keep water from entering the case. Also, keep in mind that the vents are aligned for the Fujitsu devices, so if you were to get something else, there may (likely) be additional cooling restrictions to deal with. Motion and others make cases which do a pretty good job, though, with the "incidental" rain/sleet/snow, so you may consider that route. I think that MOST Tablet PC owners tend to be wary of exposing their new device to bumps and the environment, so for MOST, the OtterBox is overkill from a practical point of view. The goal for the OtterBox is for extreme conditions and to add a degree of "drop resistance" to a non-ruggedized device. YMMV.

Weight on the LE1600 is 3.13 lbs in "base" trim. Dimensions are 11.65" x 9.45" by 0.87" thick.

Weight on the LS800 is 2.2 lbs in "base" trim. Dimensions are 8.94" x 6.69" by 0.87" thick.

Both units are capable of running WinTOTAL. We recommend at least 512 MB of RAM, and prefer 768 or 1 MB. The LE1600 comes with 512 MB RAM standard which can be upgraded to 768 MB, 1 GB or 1.5 GB. The "sweet spot" is 768 MB for $79. The 1 GB and 1.5 GB upgrades are $250 and $400, respectively. We feel that 1.5 GB is overkill, but some feel that 1 GB should be your minimum. Again, YMMV. With the LS800, the base RAM is 256 MB, which we feel in insufficient for most forms applications (it is plenty for just Apex or MobileSketch.) With the LS800, the RAM upgrades are $140 for 512 MB total RAM and $350 for 1 GB total RAM.

Both of these units have Bluetooth and WiFi b/g so there are those wireless Internet options. Of course, like all modern computers, they have an Ethernet connection, so they can be connected to a regular network for access to that and the Internet.

We always recommend a case with a Tablet PC and they range from $70 to $100 - more for specialty units. Though hard to describe, we have come to really like one of the Motion cases for the LE1600. Here is a link to their cases: Motion cases Look at the $90 Field Case - LE-Series. The picture doesn't do it justice. If you use a "car desk", similar to the one Linda sells (hopefully she will see this an post a link to her store as our users rave on this one), the LE1600 with this case is a great combination. Be sure to get the special $139 wireless keyboard made for the case! Here is a link to that page: Motion Keyboards Note that this does NOT provide for a protective case for harsh environments and that neither does Motion's $90 "Bump case"...

Generally, most Tablet PC's do NOT come with docking stations. For a "slate" type device, like these two Motion units, a docking station is recommended if you want to use it at your desk as your "main" computer. That is, to sort of "drop it in" to hook up to your regular keyboard, a larger screen and to add CD/DVD. Note that none of the Motion docking stations include a CD/DVD - you must use a USB type drive for that. Convertable type Tablet PC, however, are a slightly different story, but for a lot of people, still a really convenient item. MOST convertable Tablet PC's do not have a CD/DVD drive built-in. The lighter weight laptops, in general, have begun eliminating them for the size, weight and power drain. Anyway, most docking station for convertable type units DO have a CD/DVD option or are included.

With the environment you described - you doing the inspection and the assistant typing while en-route, etc., You might really want to consider using a Pocket PC for the inspection and just synching it to something like an X41 (was IBM, now Lenovo) We like that Convertable a lot, even though we sell it's competitor. Given your weather conditions, unless you get a ruggedized Tablet, you'll probably not want to bu lugging an expensive indoor device around and exposing it to conditions that might render it useless or broken. If you really need a ruggedized unit, email me and I can send you info on a really great unit. We don't show these units on our regular site since most fee appraisers don't have to deal with the conditions you describe. We've sold LOTS of them, however to our jurisdictional (tax assessor) customers in places like Colorado, Wyoming, Maine, etc. They have found that they are MUCH better off paying the price for this sort of thing up front and not having to purchase "work-around" stuff or end up not being able to use their $2,000 devices. That is, for some, spending an extra $1,500 or so is the difference in things working and failing.

I do not know of any retailers, in Oregon or elsewhere, that care enough to carry this sort of gear. If you can, try to make one of the a la mode shows - we always bring lots of equipment to those shows. Additionally, in 2006, we are scheduling 10 or 12 Mobile Technology classes throughout the country. We will, of course, be sending out notices on this and we are likely bringing gear like what you may need when we are teaching in areas where they deal with extreme weather. We think that being able to see, touch and use equipment not found in the generic computer shops is a legitimate component to CE credit type classes, so we make this part of our Mobile Technology classes.

I am really late for getting ready for church, so I must close for now. Hope this helps!
 
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