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"Welcome to the forum!"......backhand slap. As if this may be construed to be a "professional" site?
Didn't know you were a guy Delta, sorry.
USPAP doesn't require comp photos, clients might.

Dear Ms. Whiting,

I'd like to know how anything I posted to you can reasonably be construed as a backhand slap? I was trying to be courteous. Judging from some of your other posts, you seem to find a lot of misogyny on this forum. Complaining about one's delicate sensibilities is not always the best foot forward in any forum, let alone the rough and tumble of this venue.

As for professional demeanor, typically one does some background by reading prior posts in a thread so that she may understand the context in which she posts, and usually before jumping in and planting a foot in her mouth.
 
No problem at all Kim!

As for USPAP vs. client requirements the law trumps both. So does ones safety. As we can't go onto private property to photo a comp without permission we can only indicate what we saw from the street, supply photos showing where the visibiliy ends from the street, insert an MLS photo into the report, comment, and move on.

You need to learn the difference between "can" (the state of what is possible, and "may" (the state of what is permissible). I "can" drive up a long driveway and take a picture without permission. How do I know this? Because I've already done it! I always knock first, and have never been denied permission. But if someone isn't home, I take the picture. It is neither illegal or unreasonable.

I don't do this very often, but I'm not such a scaredy-cat that it bothers me to do it if I can't see the house. Again, the GSEs, the VA, and FHA all recommend that the sale be verified and preferably with a party to the transaction, for instance the buyer or seller. Most often I verify comps with the listing or selling agents. But the preferred source of verification is the buyer or seller. Other than making a phone call, therefore, knocking on a front door is the best way to get that task done.

As for putting our safety at risk that's a no brainer. If you feel comfortable pulling into a driveway, getting out and introducing yourself and asking a bunch of people to move so you can get a picture that's your choice. It may work out 90% of the time. If you don't feel safe doing this I'd recommend following your instincts. Some areas are less safe than others, like it or not. We are not required to do this anyways and don't let the cowboys on this forum make you feel like less of an appraiser for not taking these extra steps and risks.

Good luck and be safe to all appraisers.

Of course, given your demeanor, you may want to set limits on how you carry out such verifications. It sounds like you wouldn't want to try it for anything farther than a one block radius from your little comfort zone.
 
Of course, given your demeanor, you may want to set limits on how you carry out such verifications. It sounds like you wouldn't want to try it for anything farther than a one block radius from your little comfort zone.

I'm growing very tired of your high school level attidue crammed into a supposedly respected CG appraiser. Why not just put me on ignore or something.

My demeanor is fine. I have a 20 year professional working career which includes high level customer service and sales roles. Before entering appraising I was an HR recruiter and actually recruited for some entry level positions which required me to deal with and communicate with some of the very people I speak of from high crime areas.
 
Calvin: "You need to learn the difference between "can" (the state of what is possible, and "may" (the state of what is permissible). I "can" drive up a long driveway and take a picture without permission. How do I know this? Because I've already done it! I always knock first, and have never been denied permission. But if someone isn't home, I take the picture. It is neither illegal or unreasonable."

Pal you have zero credibility in my book at this point. Driving onto someones property and knocking on the door may be ok but snapping a photo assuming nobody is home puts you on a very slippery slope. By all means take those risks all you want but don't claim that is good appraisal practise or perfectly legal. A homeowner who is home but does not answer the door sees you snapping photos of their home may have a case if they call police or they may choose to overreact and charge you violent?

Do we have to go in circles over this yet another day?
 
Calvin: "I don't do this very often, but I'm not such a scaredy-cat that it bothers me to do it if I can't see the house. Again, the GSEs, the VA, and FHA all recommend that the sale be verified and preferably with a party to the transaction, for instance the buyer or seller. Most often I verify comps with the listing or selling agents. But the preferred source of verification is the buyer or seller. Other than making a phone call, therefore, knocking on a front door is the best way to get that task done."




I don't believe a word you say pal. I firmly believe you are an internet blowhard and trouble maker looking to argue every point and brag about things above and beyond the call of duty that you claim to do.

If verifying a sale with the buyer or seller is preferred this means you do it on every report with every comp? And if not why not?

Do you knock on every door of every comp of every report?

Its not about being a caredy cat. We are all grown ups trying to do our jobs and be safe.

All this lip service you've given is very poor advice to a newbie appraiser. Advocating driving deep onto private property and knocking on a door is one thing ( and that in and of itself could prove risky) but turning around and snapping a photo of someones house while deep on their secluded property is risking for either overreaction from a homeowner you did not think was watching you or having to explain to a cop what you were doing deep on private property snapping photos without permission.
 
Dear Ms. Whiting,

I'd like to know how anything I posted to you can reasonably be construed as a backhand slap? I was trying to be courteous. Judging from some of your other posts, you seem to find a lot of misogyny on this forum. Complaining about one's delicate sensibilities is not always the best foot forward in any forum, let alone the rough and tumble of this venue.

As for professional demeanor, typically one does some background by reading prior posts in a thread so that she may understand the context in which she posts, and usually before jumping in and planting a foot in her mouth.

Off to another great start with another poster huh? I hope you don't use this elitist insulting attitude when speaking to borrowers and clients.

But then again, anyone willing to break the law to get a comp photo is also willing to push values, alter data, and berate a borrower over the phone right? Whatever it takes right?
 
Off to another great start with another poster huh? I hope you don't use this elitist insulting attitude when speaking to borrowers and clients.

But then again, anyone willing to break the law to get a comp photo is also willing to push values, alter data, and berate a borrower over the phone right? Whatever it takes right?

Now, now, Cupcake, let's not go and get your panties in a bunch.

So now I'm a number hitter? Anything else you want to accuse me of?

As it happens I recall some years back making a site visit to a former CT mansion that had been used as the headquarters for the Maharishi Yogi. The acreage site had a 8k/sf mansion, two detached guest homes, and a carriage house. It had been vacant for a few years and was being proposed for a brain injury rehab center.

In an effort to know more about the neighborhood, I drove up the driveway of the property next door, another former mansion. It was clearly being put to some type of institutional or non-residential use and I wanted to know what the deal was.

I knocked on the door and was invited into a scene that reminds me now of something out of the Sopranos. Turns out this was a training facility for the CT laborers union of the AFL-CIO.

While that may have been its stated use and purpose, it looked more like a pretty swank place to hang out.

They too were curious about the plans for the property I was looking at. After talking for about 20 minutes, they sent me on my way. Nice guys, actually. Oh, did I mention, they let me take a picture too.
 
Spidey sense is tingling.

Wait, that's not it, I've been drinking since 11.
 
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