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Sure I have. So? They don't owe me anything. They don't make business decisions for me. I quote the fees I want for assignments. I either get my fee or I decline the assignment. I turn down work every day... and I still have plenty. An AMC can be as cheap and as unprofessional as they want to be. Those who are can get their work done by someone else.

As for where the fee is coming from, I do not care how much an AMC makes or where they get it from. It's none of my business. I decide what my fee will be. They pay it. Or they find someone else. If you are accepting low fees, that's on you.
the point - to your orig post - is that if AMCs are acting that way... appraisers won't waste valuable time to "lookup the prop" and "respond quickly with a bid before it's assigned to someone else" ; they will choose to ignore... hence, your orig statement about a "perceived" shortage of appraisers and/or "no one wants to work" is false -- unless your speaking from the perspective of an AMC. Appraisers want to work -- at fair price for their services and without hassles (attributed to some AMCs/middle-men in the process) - i.e. unfounded, unnecessary revision requests, stips, etc.
 
Sure I have. So? They don't owe me anything. They don't make business decisions for me. I quote the fees I want for assignments. I either get my fee or I decline the assignment. I turn down work every day... and I still have plenty. An AMC can be as cheap and as unprofessional as they want to be. Those who are can get their work done by someone else.

As for where the fee is coming from, I do not care how much an AMC makes or where they get it from. It's none of my business. I decide what my fee will be. They pay it. Or they find someone else. If you are accepting low fees, that's on you.
That was the day in 2007 I swore off AMCs forever. If WaMu had not closed their appraisal department and switched to an AMC (LSI), I would have never been there in the first place. I still remember the WaMu meeting stating our fees would not be lowered, that lasted about 30 days.
 
the point - to your orig post - is that if AMCs are acting that way... appraisers won't waste valuable time to "lookup the prop" and "respond quickly with a bid before it's assigned to someone else" ; they will choose to ignore... hence, your orig statement about a "perceived" shortage of appraisers and/or "no one wants to work" is false -- unless your speaking from the perspective of an AMC. Appraisers want to work -- at fair price for their services and without hassles (attributed to some AMCs/middle-men in the process) - i.e. unfounded, unnecessary revision requests, stips, etc.
I get that... but, you don't know how much they will pay until you ask for it. Just last week,I bid on one from an AMC where I bid almost double what they offered and told them 2 weeks if there were no unforseen problems with info or access. They accepted. Of course, there was some delay in getting the plans and specs... but, that's on them. I advised them of the new delivery date.
 
There's been so much bad blood built up over the years, very few appraisers respond to bid requests. In my former career, bid requests weren't sent out until the estimated cost was well into the 5 figures. For anything less, they sent it out based on standard professional qualifications.

Send the order to an approved appraiser on your panel and they will let you know if the fee needs to be adjusted to account for complexity, location, etc. That is how a profession operates. AMC's did this to themselves - and if their lenders are the ones that ask for bids, the AMC needs to inform them that's not how this works. The AMC had this entire industry handed to them on a silver platter, they need to start doing their part.

Portfolio lenders that have relationships with their Appraisers do not ask for bids. For the most part, they know what you are going to charge and trust the process.

Bids take up a lot of time. Its only natural that we would gravitate toward clients that don't make us bid, OR, if they do, have accept rates over 80-90%. I like watching the AMC's beg for a response. "RESPOND PLEASE" LOL.....to me, this means they are getting closer to figuring out that their current system is not working.
 
Sending out bid request is pure, unadulterated BS.
Good clients send orders with reasonable fees and will adjust those fees when needed (rural, complex, etc...)
All you are doing by bidding is helping that AMC give that order to the lowest bidder. And if you do happen to get the order then you know you were the low bidder. On a rare occasion, it might be TT, but 99.9% of the time its the fee.
I've been doing this for 33 years and I've never once been asked about experience or qualifications.
In another thread someone was lamenting "Why" lenders accept crappy appraisals. Well, what does that say about their expectations of quality? And if quality isn't the driving factor, what's left?
 
Portfolio lenders that have relationships with their Appraisers do not ask for bids. For the most part, they know what you are going to charge and trust the process.

Bids take up a lot of time. Its only natural that we would gravitate toward clients that don't make us bid, OR, if they do, have accept rates over 80-90%. I like watching the AMC's beg for a response. "RESPOND PLEASE" LOL.....to me, this means they are getting closer to figuring out that their current system is not working.
There is only one lender I do bids on. Doesn't seem to really price shop. First one I quoted they gave it to me at a slightly higher fee than I quoted which was their standard fee. Most of them seem to be because they are rushes.
 
The only way you learn and become a better appraiser is to do the 'hard' ones from time to time. The more difficult appraisals offer an opportunity to learn but, also to make a pile of cash. Eventually, some appraiser will accept the assignment I mentioned....And they will get whatever fee they ask for. I'm guessing that will end up being $5k or more... for the appraisal of one, single family dwelling that happens to be on the beach. If I knew someone in the area that would help me access data, I'd do it.

"Maybe it has more to do with transparency and the waste of time with quoting in most cases." Many businesses and professionals have to quote fees. It's part of doing business. I'm not sure when appraisers decided they were so special that they shouldn't have to tell potential customers what the fee for a service would be. Personally, I wish we could have convinced Lenders to let us charge based on an hourly rate for time spent. But, I do understand that some appraiser would 'cheat'.

Anyways, If anyone is interested in the assignment, let me know and I'll pass your info along.
After you do a few hard ones, the easy ones are so much easier.
 
trend moving forward - with push for bifurcated appraisals/hyrbids/desktops - > is that the larger AMCs will start hiring more W9 appraisers, to then "mentor" (i.e. manage) teams of newbies/apprentices that are working towards their licenses to do the fieldwork/gruntwork only ---> take the photos, sketch, etc.

lines will be blurred further as the "AMCs" will essentially become "in-house" appraisal shops, and then outsource the challenging assignments when their low cost/high margin system doesn't work

this is already starting -- Valuation Connect [Opteum], and others!
I just had it out with Valuation Connect. They do not pay. They demand a 2-5 day turn time in rural areas, and now they have created their own form, one day turn time for a whopping $100.00!! These people do not understand that just because the form is shorter than a URAR, we don't have to do the same amount of research, due diligence, and the risk is the same. And they SHRIEK at you while you're working for free! I told them to pack sand. I'm terrified of where we are headed. I told an AMC that I had been appraising for 30 years. His response: "Yeah, we prefer less experienced because they just do what we tell them to"!!!
 
AMC's should earn their living the way any other business does - by charging their customer ( a lender) for the management service the AMC provides to the lender. The lender, if they want to use an AMC, should compensate the AMC the way a lender compensates other service providers like accountants or IT support.

But the AMC business is "special", in that it typically does not charge their lender customer, the AMC gets compensated as a pass through payment of a split from the appraisal fee the borrower paid the lender. That sets up an incentive for the AMC to seek the lower or lowest fee from the appraiser, because the AMC earns $ from the margin of the split. Which translates to it costs the lender nothing, as in zero $ to use an AMC ( thanks to the perk of bundled fee on the HUD ).

Name another business that operates this way. I can't name one. Most AMC's are not out to "get" appraisers, and might be run by some decent folks, but their business model means they are onboard with getting their profit from a fee margin. It sounds to me like you are making an assumption, ( outside of a few rare special assignments ) that the lender client reviews the bids and tells the AMC which appraiser to use.. It makes no sense, because the reason a bank client uses an AMC is to relieve them of the burden of appraisal management.
I just worked with an AMC that collects bids and the lenders do, in fact choose the appraiser. We're going backwards
 
Tract home appraisers are easily available and fees are low.
Homes on beach are unique and require more skill to appraise.
Clients willing to pay and knowledgeable appraisers know it.
Those less knowledgeable take these assignments and are not competent and get in trouble.
Agree. This is one of the smartest and knowledgeable post you have made in a while.

I do not accept any Lake Norman or Lake Wiley waterfront assignments. I don't care what they are paying. The reason is not obvious but important. Our two lakes Lake Norman and Lake Wiley water front properties the Water Depth at the SFR 's Dock at Low Pool is really and I mean really important. The upper ends near the river source of these two lakes during low pool everyone's boats are lying on their side in mud.

The Next kind of assignment won't come from some AMC located in PA. Nope those come direct from Large Banks Wealth Division. aka multi-millionaires peeps Those owners have the jack to pay high fee's and don't even blink. I use to do some that work but its time consuming and I don't want to work that hard anymore.
 
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