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cltmortgageguy2

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I have a buyer in Charlotte, NC trying to buy a quad-plex primary residence home with great credit, income, and assets; using FHA financing. He managed to negotiate a great deal on the property. Unfortunately, the appraiser has zero comps to use that have closed in the last 18 months. Generally, investors are the typical buyers for multi-unit properties, but as we all know, they haven't been able to get loans without having to put ~50% down, which has obviously slowed things down with these types of properties. It is also a problem with single family homes and Charlotte is one of the better markets in the US. I am a broker and my lenders are saying that they need at least 2 sales within 6 months. Myself and my appraiser have been searching MLS, tax records, even zillow and realtytrac to try to find sales that were not on MLS. There are zero comps available. Has anyone had any success contacting someone from FHA to get exceptions, etc?

This is becoming the "chicken and the egg" scenario...if they won't approve loans now with people that are willing and able, how are new comps going to be created for future buyers??
 
Your lender made up that requirement. It is NOT a requirement. It is a guideline. There is a big difference.

Have your lender Cite the official publication thats says that is a requirement.

They wont find it in:

USPAP
Fannie MAe Selling Guide
HUD 4150.2
The Appraisal of Real Estate, Appraisal Institute.
Appraising Residential Properties, Appraisal Institute
Principals and Techniques of Appraisal Review, National Assc. Review Appraisers and Mortgage Underwriters

They will only find it in there tiny little brains.

What they will find is desirable guidelines and recommendations.

Make them prove it, and if they can not then go to a different lender. Tell them why your going with ALL your business; R Lender you are not providing good service because you are ignorant of appraisal requirements.

Now, that is there option to place ridiculous requirements on appraisals. This particular requirement is againts what USPAP says. So even if they get an appraiser to comply, they will only have a NON-Compliant USPAP appraisal that is worthless to HUD, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and any Federally Regulated Institution.

Understand what I just said. When you force, make, coerice conjol, and appraiser to use comparables that are not I/A/W to his signed certifications then you have a worthless document.
 
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Get a copy of the FHA handbook

I suggest you get a copy of the FHA handbook. Then you can state the page and section that very clearly says that comps over 6 months old are acceptable if no more recent comps are available. I used to have the comment for this in my quick list for the old FHA handbook. :peace:
 
It is most likely a lender specific requirement due to the changing market. You also need to read Mortgagee Letter 2009-09 for declining market requirements from the HUD/FHA.
 
I know it says must, but it also says something else. The use of the word MUST is improper and likley just mistated. The word 'Should' would be more correct use for an appraisal guideline.

I suppose one could argue that somewhere in report there must be two sales that occurred int he last 90 days as similar as possible, meaning any sale would do, even though it is not comparable.

Thats a pretty dumb way of doing something. IMHO I seriously doubt that is the intent of HUD.


Here:

http://www.HUD.gov/groups/appraisers.cfm


Appraisal Reporting Requirements in Declining Markets

Appraisals of properties located in declining markets must include at least two comparable sales that closed within 90 days prior to the effective date of the appraisal.
In some markets compliance with this requirement may be difficult or not possible due to the lack of market data and, in these cases, a detailed explanation is required. The appraiser is expected to include at least two sales that are as similar as possible to the subject and which settled within 90 days of the effective date of the appraisal in order to show recent market activity.

In order to ensure that FHA receives an accurate and thorough appraisal analysis, the inclusion of comparable listings and/or pending sales is required in appraisals of properties that are located in declining markets. Specifically, the appraiser must:

Include a minimum of two active listings or pending sales on the appraisal grid of the applicable appraisal reporting form in comparable 4-6 position or higher (in addition to the three settled sales).

Insure that active listings and pending sales are market tested and have reasonable market exposure to avoid the use of over priced properties as comparables. Reasonable market exposure is reflected by typical marketing times for the neighborhood. The comparable listings should be truly comparable and the appraiser should bracket the listings using both dwelling size and sales price whenever possible.

Adjust active listings to reflect list to sale price ratios for the market.

Adjust pending sales to reflect the contract purchase price whenever possible or adjust pending sales to reflect list to sale price ratios.
Include the original list price, any revised list prices, and total days on the market (DOM). Provide an explanation for DOM that do not approximate time frames reported in the Neighborhood section of the appraisal reporting form or that do not coincide with the DOM noted in the Market Conditions Addendum.

Reconcile the adjusted values of active listings or pending sales with the adjusted values of the settled sales provided. If the adjusted values of the settled comparables are higher than the adjusted values of the active listings or pending sales, the appraiser must determine if a market condition adjustment is appropriate. The final value conclusion should not be based solely on the comparable listing or pending sales data.

Include an absorption rate analysis, which is critical to developing and supporting market trend conclusions, as mandated by the Market Conditions Addendum. For example, assuming 36 sales during a six month period, the absorption rate is 6 sales per month (36/6).
 
A 6 mo. requirement is particularly ridiculous if you're appraising it based on income approach. You can go back in time much more readily dealing with GRMs that raw sales prices. Even if the guy is planning on living in 1 of the 4 units Income should still be a viable method of valuing this property.
 
Carnivore -

Thanks, but Charlotte is not a declining market, just a very slow market when it comes to multi-family sales. Any other suggestions??
 
I would think with the limited sales data and listings that there may be a lack of a demand for such a property. That may be how the lender looks at it too.
 
Carnivore -

Thanks, but Charlotte is not a declining market, just a very slow market when it comes to multi-family sales. Any other suggestions??


OK, you might be right. Apparently your UW thinks Charlotte is a declining market.

So the report you received should have demonstrated the market for your subject is in a stable or increasing sub-market of the greater Charlotte Market.

What does the report say?

Look at Page three of this link and scroll down to Charlotte.

http://www2.standardandpoors.com/spf/pdf/index/CSHomePrice_Release_072820.pdf
 
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