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Yeah, I get it is one assignment.... Although I need to develop 3 opinions of value?


What you need to do is complete your highest and best use analysis. From your first post, it appears that these are 2 separate properties. What's the maximum $$ return: As 2 or as 1? You're leaning towards 2 (form your words).
 
Last point....there is no shame in telling a client that you will politely decline the assignment, if indeed, you don't have the required knowledge and experience to do this one. When you do that, give them names of other appraisers you have already discussed this with, who do have the background necessary in complex assignments. Your helpfulness and honesty will be a feather in your cap.

Excellent advice. And, you might want to work with that other appraiser on the assignment (if you can) to get the requisite experience to meet the GSE benchmark (that would be a win-win).

Now, having said all of the above and based on what you describe, your situation is about the simplest condition I've heard of regarding a lot-split considerations in a H&BU. If you can use this assignment by teaming up with another appraiser to get your experience, you should.
Just another piece of advice: I do a number of these types of valuations (never one as easy as the one you describe); just did one 2-weeks ago..much more complex than yours. In my market, in order for me to do these types of assignments credibly, speaking with the market participants is a must. If you are not in the habit of calling and talking to brokers/agents and developers (sometimes they are the same) and asking about their transactions, the motivations, what the buyer intended on doing with the property, blah, blah, blah, then I'd stay away from these types of assignments. If you do or are willing to call and talk with the market participants to really do your homework, these types of assignments may just be right up your alley (make sure you charge appropriately for these!).

Good luck!
 
It seems if it is treated as a single property, it is to be valued as same. If there is some hoop that must be jumped through (say a survey or a division of the tax parcel) then you do not have an "as is" report. "As is" you have one deeded property and should use comparables that are two properties. Having 2 addresses is not uncommon in rural areas. My property has 2 addresses since I had to have one for each water tap which are over ½ mile apart. So my farm water tap uses a second address.

The HBU would (in the future) be to divide into two parcels likely. But the "AS IS" value is what exists here, now, today...not to speculate about some future use that is the result of a future event (subdivision).
 
"It seems if it is treated as a single property, it is to be valued as same. If there is some hoop that must be jumped through (say a survey or a division of the tax parcel) then you do not have an "as is" report. "As is" you have one deeded property and should use comparables that are two properties. Having 2 addresses is not uncommon in rural areas. My property has 2 addresses since I had to have one for each water tap which are over ½ mile apart. So my farm water tap uses a second address.

The HBU would (in the future) be to divide into two parcels likely. But the "AS IS" value is what exists here, now, today...not to speculate about some future use that is the result of a future event (subdivision)."


Well then, what is the purpose of even asking what is the highest and best use if the current use should always be used? Can you elaborate? If the homes are worth 2 times as much separate as together, is the current use HB? Nope... Correct me if I am wrong here...






I know two addresses is not uncommon, and actually occurs frequently with 2 homes on one lot... What I am running into here is 2 homes on two lots, one site errrr...


The current owners added the second manufactured 10 years ago, both parcels have been in the family for 30+ years, the zoning allows for 2 homes on 5 acres, also allows for 1 home on each 2.5 acres. The current owners added the manufactured 10 years ago, there was no other home on the lot. Easement would be tine, the access it at the same point, although right in the corner of both lots off the street.

I am leaning towards turning it down (it has been a week now waiting on the county for details). Although it does seem simple enough given the situation.... I almost always call the listing agent and or selling agent with rural properties.


Thanks for your help,
 
It seems if it is treated as a single property, it is to be valued as same. If there is some hoop that must be jumped through (say a survey or a division of the tax parcel) then you do not have an "as is" report. "As is" you have one deeded property and should use comparables that are two properties. Having 2 addresses is not uncommon in rural areas. My property has 2 addresses since I had to have one for each water tap which are over ½ mile apart. So my farm water tap uses a second address.

The HBU would (in the future) be to divide into two parcels likely. But the "AS IS" value is what exists here, now, today...not to speculate about some future use that is the result of a future event (subdivision).

If someone can buy the two, split them for $7,500, and make a 25% return on the total purchase price, chances are that someone is going to do that.
The present worth of the property is based on the future benefits: if investing $400k now and getting $492,500 in a year (let's say) is likely, then that's going to happen. Because the value of the property "as is" is based on its value with the lot split factored in. That isn't hypothetical. That's real and as-is.

The problem is it is rarely as clear-cut as I describe it. A decision to invoke the "value as a lot split" methodology needs to be well supported, and not just "well, maybe, and if all the stars align, blah, blah, blah"; ergo, the need to do a credible H&BU.

I just did an appraisal 2-weeks ago. A local developer purchased a home that was listed on MLS for upper $700k's late last year. The MLS listed it as having development potential; it was an estate sale, and the heirs wanted to liquidate; there was definitely non-market motivations of the sellers.
This property does have subdivision potential, and I was able to confirm that after visiting the planning department and fire department. If you look at the sites around this property, you can see that most of the sites have been subdivided over the last 30-years. The improvement, as-is, was near the end of its economic life (although it had continued useful life; it wasn't a total tear down, just functionally obsolete in a number of ways); but it could have functioned as a rental.

H&BU, as-is, was to split the lot and build at least one new home at the rear, and keep a wall of the existing improvement and build a 3,000 home there. My opinion of market value was mid-$900k's. And, there was a possibility that rather than 2-lots, this property cold have been divided into 3-lots; possible, but not enough data at the time of my assignment for me to say "probable" with confidence (although I discussed that additional 3rd lot potential in detail and presented my rationale for not making the 3-lot split my conclusion).
The value of the property, as is (not split) was mid-$900k. Nothing hypothetical about it. The present value based on the future benefits, which were tangible and not ephemeral.

One of the biggest mistakes I've seen in others' work in these cases is that they mis-price what the lot split is worth (usually over-value it) because many value the excess land similar to a finished lot when it isn't (in a lot of cases, it is more similar to raw land and is not a site-ready-to-build).

But the discussion you and I are having (and, potentially the disagreement) should make one thing evident to everyone: These assignments are not simple. They are complex. The further one goes down the excess land or lot-split conclusion, the more analysis and research is needed. And, the decision to conclude excess/lot-split action needs to be compelling, not just a "49% no excess land, 51% excess land, therefore excess land". In the real world, when informed market participants make these decisions, they want to make sure that the ability to split and the resulting value after the split is compelling because they are going to put up real money, and most savvy investors in these types of situations expect to make a large portion of their profit on the buy-side of the site(s).
Like the buyer/developer in my case did.
 
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If someone can buy the two, split them for $7,500, and make a 25% return on the total purchase price, chances are that someone is going to do that.
The present worth of the property is based on the future benefits: investing $400k now, getting $492,500 in a year, let's say), is likely, then that's going to happen. Because the value of the property "as is" is based on its value with the lot split factored in. That isn't hypothetical. That's real and as-is.

The problem is it is rarely as clear-cut as I describe it. A decision to invoke the "value as a lot split" methodology needs to be well supported, and not just "well, maybe, and if all the stars align, blah, blah, blah"; ergo, the need to do a credible H&BU.

I just did an appraisal 2-weeks ago. A local developer purchased a home that was listed on MLS for upper $700k's late last year. The MLS listed it as having development potential; it was an estate sale, and the heirs wanted to liquidate; there was definitely non-market motivations of the sellers.
This property does have subdivision potential, and I was able to confirm that after visiting the planning department and fire department. If you look at the sites around this property, you can see that most of the sites have been subdivided over the last 30-years. The improvement, as-is, was near the end of its economic life (although it had continued useful life; it wasn't a total tear down, just functionally obsolete in a number of ways); but it could have functioned as a rental.

H&BU, as-is, was to split the lot and build at least one new home at the rear, and keep a wall of the existing improvement and build a 3,000 home there. My opinion of market value was mid-$900k's. And, there was a possibility that rather than 2-lots, this property cold have been divided into 3-lots; possible, but not enough data at the time of my assignment for me to say "probable" with confidence (although I discussed that additional 3rd lot potential in detail and presented my rationale for not making the 3-lot split my conclusion).
The value of the property, as is (not split) was mid-$900k. Nothing hypothetical about it. The present value based on the future benefits, which were tangible and not ephemeral.

One of the biggest mistakes I've seen in others' work in these cases is that they mis-price what the lot split is worth (usually over-value it) because many value the excess land similar to a finished lot when it isn't (in a lot of cases, it is more similar to raw land and is not a site-ready-to-build).

But the discussion you and I are having (and, potentially the disagreement) should make one thing evident to everyone: These assignments are not simple. They are complex. The further one goes down the excess land or lot-split conclusion, the more analysis and research is needed. And, the decision to conclude excess/lot-split action needs to be compelling, not just a "49% no excess land, 51% excess land, therefore excess land". In the real world, when informed market participants make these decisions, they want to make sure that the ability to split and the resulting value after the split is compelling because they are going to put up real money, and most savvy investors in these types of situations expect to make a large portion of their profit on the buy-side of the site(s).
Like the buyer/developer in my case did.


"DItto"

Some appraisers error because they are not prepared to conduct the analysis necessary in order to arrive at a well-supported conclusion. Instead, they throw up their hands and say (to the effect) "I'm going to do it 'this' way--just because I want to do it 'this' way!" If that is the thinking, best to decline the assignment.
 
After re-reading and re-thinking about this assignment, I think you should put the brakes on and NOT throw in the towel just yet.

I am not convinced that this is 'one site' just because someone at the county says so. If you have two legal lots with their own parcel number, their own legal description, and separate assessments for those properties, you MAY have 2 lots. I would venture to say that one or the other lot & improvement could be sold separately from the other. Unless.......

The wrinkle here is the history of the property. Was this an original 5 acre site with its own parcel number and legal description, and one dwelling? Then 10 years ago, when the MFH was planted, did the county 'just assign' a separate parcel number for the MFH and 2.5 acres so as to keep it on 'their' books as a separate property for assessment and taxation purposes - but under one common legal description for the entire site? This happens in my area, where improvements are allocated 1 acre out of the entire multi-acre site and given a separate P#, but the improvements are within the boundaries of the legal description for the entire site, which has it's own P#.

Once you figure out this history, you can then decide how to proceed.....which could wind up being two separate appraisals. You can do those easily.

I'd recommend that these lots be split from the ONE site, as says the county. (You should suggest this to the lender.) This will benefit the current owners, and also the lender. The lender will have two mortgage loans at two fees, etc. The lot with the MFH on it would incorporate the 'county lot split fee' into that new mortgage (because the value is likely lower than the site-built). This gives the current owners the ability to sell either or both properties in the future at separate times, an advantage to them.

Without the split, you have a 'mell of a hess' as others here have said.
 
If someone can buy the two, split them for $7,500, and make a 25% return on the total purchase price, chances are that someone is going to do that.
The present worth of the property is based on the future benefits: if investing $400k now and getting $492,500 in a year (let's say) is likely, then that's going to happen. Because the value of the property "as is" is based on its value with the lot split factored in. That isn't hypothetical. That's real and as-is.
"As is" imho means "AS IS".... And if you divide the property, it isn't "AS IS". In the highest and best use analysis, the questions asks only, " Is the value of the property AS IF VACANT AND AVAILABLE FOR ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE more than its value "AS IS" ? It does not include a scenario analysis of all the options.

My property could be developed without interference into about 15 lots all slightly more than 5 acres in size. That avoids regulation by the county. The sum of those various estates are clearly more than the value of my 80 acres. But the value of my property "as is" is based upon 80 acres and a house, not 14 vacant lots and a 5 acre ± lot with a house. Subdivision is a future event that is contrary to what exists as of the date of appraisal unless the date of appraisal is somewhere into the future.
 
Well, Terrel, I'm just going to strongly disagree with you.

Excess land is not a hypothetical situation.
And the value of excess land has to be considered if the market would consider it.

So, here's one that is real simple:

1-acre site with a home on the front 10,000sf.
This neighborhood was originally 1-2 acre home sites; over the course of the last 20-years, about 60% of those sites have been subdivided; current zoning allows subdivision into 15,000sf lots; our subject's site meets the subdivision requirements (easement/flag lot configuration, utility access, etc., etc.).
The homes on the left and on the right were similar to the subject, but have been split into 2-lots within the last 10-years.
There are some sites that are exactly the same as our subject except they have a conservation easement that runs through the rear of their sites; they cannot be developed. Their site and yard utility, as-is, is the same as our subject's: nice back yard with plenty of room to play.

Are you not going to consider subdivision (excess land) in your analysis? Because, the likely buyer of this property is an investor, and they will consider it?
Do you think our subject is going to sell for the same price as the homes that are exactly similar to the subject but cannot be subdivided? Or do you think, with active development (lot splitting) occurring when the opportunity is available, an investor might outbid the owner-user, and the owner-user may purchase the sites where there isn't any subdivision potential because they don't want to subdivide?

I get your warnings about valuing something as-is if it doesn't exist.
I don't understand at all why excess land value isn't an as-is value. As-is, excess land exists. Ergo, in an as-is valuation, it better be considered. And, if you don't have any identical sales to use in the sales comparison approach, then you might have to first value the site as-if it were split and making appropriate deductions to get it to the as-is condition (not split.. and don't tell me that requires an EA or HC; it doesn't require an EA or HC anymore than site-value by extraction does in the cost approach).

We'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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