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Only heat source is wood

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The subject matter is the FUEL for the heater, since its in, in fact, central heat and ducted to each room. I would think that you would simply state the fuel source and let underwriting decide if it was sufficient.

By the way, could coal be substituted of the wood as a fuel source? If so, it's not that much different than any centreal heating system.
 
One can be certain of one thing during this dynamic period of evolutionary change in our industry. The AVM's, CMA's and BPO's will handle the easy ones. We appraisers will be inheriting all the white elephants, problem-properties and P.o.S.'s. We deserve thorough communication with whatever orders might come across to us. Too bad most clients' staffers haven't got a clue how to process and effectively communicate an appraisal assignment !

In Tim's situation, the client could have dealt with the fireplace-only situation before ever contacting Tim......and perhaps never engaged Tim to discover something that the client was NOT going to like. I'm surprised they haven't asked Tim to indicate in his report that the oil heat system is primary and the wood source is the back-up !

Ross: I have mixed feelings about this. First of all, the property itself is not necessarily the loan officer's expertise. An interview on the phone with the borrower is very likely to end up with misleading descriptions. The borrower is biased, obviously. Consider the situation of Tim's property for instance. Once tipped off, wouldn't it be relatively easy for the homeowner to dummy up the heating system to appear to be oil fired? How about just flat out lying about it? Aren't we more likely to get the truth when the homeowner is 'innocent and blissful' rather than after they realize the implications of their predicament?

I don't have a problem with either reporting what is there, or simply informing the homeowner what needs to be corrected for my return inspection.

Second, who's to determine what's an 'easy' one for the AVM? Isn't it just as likely that a cookie cutter home in a homogeneous development can have property issues that an AVM wouldn't address? This, to me, is more evidence of Senator Dole's bill needing to be put into law.
 
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Tim,

With wood as the only heating fuel you will find that most landers (if this is for lending purposes) will not accept that. In WI it would certainly not be the norm.

If this is for a lender, call them and possibly save yourself some grief.

Alternately, you could apply a cost to cure for a new furnace since apparently the ducting is in place. Do not forget to add on for the chimney liner as the new more efficient furnaces usually need to have this installed.

Brad
 
I'm afraid the problem isn't necessarily so much the fuel source, but the fact that it isn't automatic. If I forget or go on vacation, the pipes (pets, people) can freeze.
 
I'm afraid the problem isn't necessarily so much the fuel source, but the fact that it isn't automatic. If I forget or go on vacation, the pipes (pets, people) can freeze.


You have enough business to go on vacation ??? :rof:
 
Not at $3.80 a gallon, I don't. :Eyecrazy:
 
Ultimatly it boils down to market acceptance. Do you have more than one wood heated only comparable? If all the comps have more conventional and unattended heating sources then that is what the market has deemed as acceptable. A CW LO verbally beat me up over a similar property, my stance and the opinions of my local peers was that a wood only furnace wasn't acceptable and that they needed to reinstall a more conventional heating system, based on the fact that search of the MLS going back five years could not find a single other sale of a home that had a wood only system.

Caterina's observation is dead on, that it's not the fuel source which is the problem but the unattended reliability of the system.
 
that it's not the fuel source which is the problem but the unattended reliability of the system
I heated 2 houses with wood without a backup. A small space heater in the back kept the pipes from freezing. I was frequently gone for weeks. A baseboard electric heater can be installed for under $200 usually. I have one in my office - 6' or so. Thermostat fits over the electrical connection box. Backup is way too easy to cure. A vacant house doesn't need to be kept any warmer than 33 degrees. And I have seen pipes freeze in houses fully occupied and heated. I have a drain pipe from the utility room that will freeze if it touches zero outside and the wind is blowing.

My house has a fully ducted fireplace and supplys 99% of my heat. If I leave for a few days, my CHA furnace is electric and kicks on below 55 degrees.

I still think I would report the heat source and let the lender handle it. Its not my job to do anything but appraise it. I really don't see why it is supposed to be my job to give lenders heads up about conditions they may or may not have...In other words, my work is not contingent upon a condition of the inspection. In fact, my reports certify that the value reported was NOT contingent. We we start making decisions for lenders about loan conditions, I believe we are walking the fine USPAP line.
 
Though it's not the same, on two occasions I submitted a report that has a fireplace as the only heating source. On both, the borrower had to put in a wall heater before they would close. CTC was under $1000.
 
XI, 405.08: Property Condition (11/01/05)

Based on the factual data of the improvement analysis, the appraiser must express an opinion on the appraisal report form about the condition of the improvements. We expect that appraisals based on an interior and exterior inspection will include a complete visual inspection of the accessible areas of the property. The appraiser is not responsible for hidden or unapparent conditions. The appraiser must report any condition that may affect the value or marketability of the subject property in factual, specific terms. The appraiser also is responsible for noting in the appraisal report any adverse conditions (such as, but not limited to, needed repairs; deterioration; the presence of hazardous wastes, toxic substances, or adverse environmental conditions; etc.) that were apparent during the inspection of the property or that he or she became aware of during the research involved in performing the appraisal.

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The appraiser must report detrimental conditions of the improvements even if the conditions also are typical for competing properties. For instance, the appraiser should note if a property is characterized by deferred maintenance or a lack of updating even if the same condition applies to competing properties in the neighborhood.

The appraiser must consider all factors that have an impact on value and marketability in the development of the appraisal report. The appraiser is expected to consider and describe the overall quality and condition of the property and identify items that require immediate repair as well as items where maintenance may have been deferred, which may or may not require immediate repair. The appraiser must address any needed repairs or any physical, FUNCTIONAL, or external inadequacies in the “comments” section of the appraisal.
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We permit an appraisal to be based upon the “as is” condition of the property as long as any minor conditions, such as deferred maintenance, do not affect the livability, soundness, or structural integrity of the property, and the appraiser’s opinion of value reflects the existence of these conditions. Minor conditions and deferred maintenance include worn floor finishes or carpet, minor plumbing leaks, holes in window screens, or cracked window glass. Minor conditions and deferred maintenance are typically due to normal wear and tear from the aging process and the occupancy of the property. While such conditions generally do not rise to the level of a “required repair,” they must be reported.

The appraiser must identify physical deficiencies that could affect the soundness, structural integrity, or livability of the property as part of the appraiser’s description of the physical condition of the property. These may include cracks or settlement in the foundation, water seepage, active roof leaks, curled or cupped roof shingles,

inadequate electrical service or plumbing fixtures, etc.

{** SUGGEST....this includes an inoperable 30 yr old furnace}

When such deficiencies exist or improvements are incomplete, the property must be appraised subject to completion of the specific alterations or repairs. In situations where a condition may need repair but the appraiser may not be qualified to make that decision, the appraiser must appraise the property subject to a satisfactory inspection by a qualified professional. In such cases, the lender must have the property inspected and any material conditions repaired before it delivers the mortgage to us. The appraiser may be asked to revise his or her appraisal based upon the results of the inspection, in which case the appraiser would incorporate the results of the inspection and measure the impact, if any on the appraiser’s final opinion of value.

The lender must review the appraisal report to ensure that the appraiser has not indicated any physical deficiencies or conditions that would affect the livability, soundness, or structural integrity of the property. When there are none, the lender does not need to require minor repairs to be completed before it delivers the mortgage to us. When improvements are incomplete or conditions exist that affect the livability, soundness, or structural integrity of the property, the property must be appraised subject to completion of the specific alterations or repairs. Additionally, the alterations or repairs must be performed, and the lender must obtain a completion report from an appraiser, before it delivers the mortgage to us.

Lenders must take the necessary steps to ensure that a property represents adequate collateral for the mortgage loan. In addition, we recommend that lenders disclose all known property condition issues to the borrower so that the borrower may take any necessary actions to address such issues.
 
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