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Oregon's Sinedie Legislature Is Age-ist, Deals With Shortage, No C&R

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If one accepts that there is an argument to set mandatory minimum fees, I don't see it as a big leap to then argue that mandatory maximum fees should also apply.
And eventually sanctions for practitioners who dare to charge outside of the mandatory limits.
Much of the so-called pro-appraiser legislation has resulted in consequences that are less than pro-appraiser. For the boots-on-the-ground appraiser, whether they were intended or unintended consequences doesn't seem too relevant on the street. The fact that their solution created new or additional adverse conditions for appraisers is what is relevant on the street.
I would argue none of the so-called pro-appraiser legislation has benefited boots on the ground appraisers. But the masses demand more, and they will get it to the detriment of the rest of the profession. Eventually those who don't chase GSE style mortgage work will wake up and demand a split, IMO that can't come soon enough.
 
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There must be somebody that is attempting to build a very large appraisal company in Oregon. It doesn't make any sense to me that there isn't.
This type of legislation combined with recent proposals of the AQB is the perfect recipe for the transformation of AMCs into large appraisal firms. Welcome to the future, it may not be what boots on the ground appraisers thought they they fought for but it is.
 
And eventually sanctions for practitioners who dare to charge outside of the mandatory limits.
I would argue none of the so-called pro-appraiser legislation has benefited boots on the ground appraisers. The masses demand more, and they will get it to the detriment of the rest of the profession. Eventually those who don't chase GSE style mortgage work will wake up and demand a split, IMO that can't come soon enough.

A cap will cause less appraisers to accept work, or to train people, and might not be found to be legal. It is still a capitalist system. When you can flip burgers for the same money, plus burger flipping pays benefits, why, would anyone write appraisals and hold liability for less money?

A fee cap is a scare tatic to conform to what AMCs want. Nothing more.

The state can cap any fee they'd like. But they can't force you to work for less than you desire.

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Far too much AMC work is interstate commerce, which the State can not regulate, as interstate commerce laws are what Congress.regulates.

It's one of the reasons the Articles of Conferation failed, and why we have a Constitution, instead.


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This type of legislation combined with recent proposals of the AQB is the perfect recipe for the transformation of AMCs into large appraisal firms. Welcome to the future, it may not be what boots on the ground appraisers thought they they fought for but it is.

They are basically large appraisal firms already. What is going to happen with AMC's training their own appraisers is that they are not going to be very skilled. They all like to say they have national coverage with local expertise but they are lying. No local expertise or competency. They will be able to draw their 1 mile radius, bracket everything, and check boxes but that is about it. If the market for appraisals is okay with that then so be it. There will always be clients looking for something better.
 
I suspect that a fee cap is part of the agenda behind promoting this bill.

What I believe is this:
If one accepts that there is an argument to set mandatory minimum fees, I don't see it as a big leap to then argue that mandatory maximum fees should also apply.
The argument for minimum fees is that appraisers should be paid a fair fee for their work and the current system does not provide for that (a hard argument to make in some parts of the country at this time).
The argument for maximum fees is that if appraisers have a minimum fee that is fair, then the consumer should be protected against unfair/higher fees. In other words, if the state provides a minimum with the intent of ensuring the appraisers are paid something they consider is "fair", then the state certainly has the right to impose a maximum to ensure that consumers are also paying something they consider "fair".

Much of the so-called pro-appraiser legislation has resulted in consequences that are less than pro-appraiser. For the boots-on-the-ground appraiser, whether they were intended or unintended consequences doesn't seem too relevant on the street. The fact that their solution created new or additional adverse conditions for appraisers is what is relevant on the street.

Open the door for a state-imposed minimum fee and that opens the door for a state-imposed maximum fee, IMNSHO.


Can't have it both ways.. if you want the guminnt involved in "customary and reasonable" then here you have it!
 
funny analogy, but true

Although the START "program" I still don't think is a good idea, nor any other "trainee programs" by AMCs or non appraiser organizations. I agree with Joe Flacco, if fees were in the $600-800 range, it'd be much more enticing to bring on new trainees. But the sad reality of the AMC world (as we read/see too often on here) is many fees in the rest of the country just don't make it that enticing

Correct. Trainees would be been flocking to the Appraisal business and mentors would take them on if the Trainee positions alone paid no less than $40k--$45. Otherwise, there is no incentive.

Of all the anemic drivel about shortages generated from shill press releases or those advocating that many of the (blast) systems represents market fees absolutely no one who is pushing the shortage dilemma agenda is addressing and actually taking action regarding monetary compensation. One of the primary factors contributing to shortages .
 
I still get AMCs sending over orders for what they say is the "standard fee", $400.
 

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OSU, that's hilarious! (the pic) and a great scene! (y):rof:
 
funny analogy, but true

Although the START "program" I still don't think is a good idea, nor any other "trainee programs" by AMCs or non appraiser organizations. I agree with Joe Flacco, if fees were in the $600-800 range, it'd be much more enticing to bring on new trainees. But the sad reality of the AMC world (as we read/see too often on here) is many fees in the rest of the country just don't make it that enticing

My husband has 2 trainees besides. I run his numbers and books. If we don't make $600 minimum on the files we don't make money. MLS, title data, minimum wage fees, health insurance, etc. How on earth can anyone train one, let alone multiple appraisers on $300-$400 fees? The only solution is to be mass production appraisers but in my experience those type of appraisers do not produce very high quality appraisals.

Appraisers are the only professionals I know who get beat so hard about being paid like a professional.
 
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