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bgardner

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I am new to the forum so please pardon the redundance.

I want to start taking notes and doing field inspection work with a PDA or a pocket PC. I have looked at the Dell Axim and the Motion Computing LS800. It seems the Dell is a big too small and the LS800 and bit too large. The Samsung Q1 with a 5" screen is about right but a bit pricey; I don't need the internet feature.

I would like some feedback on electronic devises which may be useful for jotting down phone messages and also for doing building sketches. I have an IBM Tablet but it is definitely too bulky for field work.
 
I use a Dell Axim X50V. When this one dies I will probably get its replacement the X51V. While Dell doesn’t make them anymore they are still available on eBay. I use WinTotal and have put in the amenities and drawn a 6,000 square foot house on my Axim.
 
Have you considered an iPhone or iPod Touch?

Count on an iPhone version of DaVinci with data gathering (as well as
other "pocket" versions of DaVinci)... we love the iPhone and have
developed apps for it on the agent side. The SDK allows us to do
everything you need, and we believe the iPhone platform is more than
robust enough -- and offers many unique features.

Don't think we're abandoning Windows Mobile either. We believe in
small form factor handheld platforms overall for DaVinci as a
replacement for Pocket TOTAL. But since you brought up the iPhone
environment specifically, I thought I'd respond.

As an iPhone user who is a former Windows Mobile phone/PDA user
across many hardware iterations, I can't imagine using anything
moving forward (personally) other than an iPhone. But we know others
don't agree and demand a Windows Mobile platform. That's fine, and
we'll happily develop for it as long as the market supports Windows
Mobile.

Dave Biggers
Chairman
a la mode, inc.
It would seem to be a very viable option in the not too distant future.
 
I personally use the Fujitsu Lifebook1610 D. Its larger than the Samsung, has a full keyboard and has the functionality of a full laptop with a size smaller then the Motion. I've used all of them before and I have been the happiest with the Lifebook for inspection...and I use it for every inspection I go on.

You can also try my webpage I have a powerpoint presentation on technology I gave to a bunch of appraisers and will be giving to my statewide realtor convention. www.kresinc.com
 
FWIW, the Q1 (and similar) have a 7" (diagonal) screen. Some of the more recent "UMPC" type devices are appearing with 4.8" - 5.6" screens. Pay attention to the resolutions quoted as the "dpi" affects how big (or small) things are on the screen.

The LS 800 has been discontinued and F5 is the closest thing available from Motion Computing. It weighs a little more and has a 10.4" screen.

FWIW, the P1610D is now replaced by the P1620 and is basically the same but with a faster, but more efficient (?) CPU. Depending on OS, RAM and other variables, it has a decent battery life and even with the extended battery, weighs much less than most smaller UMPC's, and all real Tablets. My P1610 is hooked up to their mini-dock and it has no problem running the native 8.9" screen AND an external 24" monitor @ 1920 x 1200 resolution. With a little add-on device, it easily runs two monitors at 1280 x 1024 for a total of 2560 x 1024... :-) The P1620 is a better machine than the P1610 but I have not upgraded mine as I am waiting for the next generation replacement. That is because I already HAVE a P1610 (and had the P1510 before)... If I still had the P1510, I WOULD trade up to the P1620 today. The P61xx family has a standard indoor/outdoor screen - something VERY unusual in a consumer device. I don't like the glossy treatment (prefer "matte" type screens) but it DOES work outdoors. I have not tried an anti-glare film personally (yet) since I also have many other Tablets that already have anti-glare indoor/outdoor screens. Starting at just under $2,100, the P1620 is a bit expensive compared to a regular UMPC (and some "real" Tablets) but it IS small and arguably more powerful than many appraisers' current desktop machines. With the mini-dock and some add-ons, it COULD be one's only computer. Worth exploring. A member here, John Hill, sells these and may give you advise on these... :-) All this said, if you think the Q1 is too pricey, the P16xx is out of range...

For a PPC, nothing beats the old HP hx4700/4705 IMHO. There are newer replacements available from HP now, but they cost more and for YOUR purposes, may not be any better. Some would argue that the new HP is a step backward over the 4700. We recently sold some of our excess units we found lying around in a storage closet for between $300 and $600 depending on condition and software installed, accessories, etc. If you can find a decent hx4700 or hx4705 (same unit, different SKU's for tracking purposes), I'd advise you get one over an AXIM. I have had many of both and have no axe to grind on this, LOL. The HP is and was simply better. The small (if any) difference in price between the HP and Dell is worth it IMHO. The dell had a 3.7" screen and the HP had a 4.0" screen that was also simply superior in view-ability, etc. Both were high resolution devices and this may make a difference to you if all you ever saw was a low resolution PPC. Let me know if you want me to post a screen shot comparing a sketch on a low resolution 3.5" screen vs. a 4.0" high resolution screen. The difference is dramatic.

There ARE Pocket PC's with 5" high resolution screens, but I have not been pleased with their "indoor-only" screens. Outdoor view-ability is a major thing to me - what good is something if you cannot see to use it when you are doing the outdoor portion of the inspection? YMMV, but I consider an acceptable level of outdoor "view-ability" a MUST...

You want to make an informed decision before doing any sort of cash outlay, especially considering the economic situation today. If you can get multi-use out of something and it fits the bill, all the better. For example, if you can get a "phone" that does enough, well enough - that is great. On the other hand, IF spending more actually means getting (enough) more done to more than offset the extra cost, you'd want to consider that, too. So, for some, the "phone" is the right way to go but for others, an all-in-one is a better route. Much like a printer, huh - some need dedicated b/w laser for most printing but use an ink jet for color and a dedicated fax machine. Others find that a nice all-in-one printer does a good enough job to warrant a few extra bucks. After all is said and done, it boils down to a "YMMV" thing, so do your research and do what works best for YOU.

Hope this helps! Let us know if you need more info on this type of thing. Post here or feel free to write me at the address below. Being a holiday weekend, I am "allowed" to sneak up an play on the Internet from time to time this weekend, LOL.

-Randall Garrett-
..Apex Software..

/end/
 
I use a Gateway tablet and I love it. I've been using it for over a year and a half now.
 
I have used a couple of different PDA/Pocket PC units and put them all away. The screens are just too small. trying to do an accurate sketch on them is just too difficult. If you really want to go mobile, I would go with a tablet.
 
Pda Vs Tablet

I use a Dell Axim PDA attached to a wrist-strap for sketching for 90% of the houses I measure, but when I get houses that are over 4,000 sf or so, especially when they get to be in the 6,000 to 7,000 sf range, that's when I use my Fujitsu tablet PC. I carry a light (fiberglass) 5' step ladder in the back of my truck. Whenever I measure with the tablet, I set it on the step ladder - it makes it a lot easier. I keep an "aircard" in the tablet, so I have broadband at all times. I could not function without either the PDA or the tablet.
 
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