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Permanently Attached - Definition

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NWolvie

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If anyone could help me out, none of my reference materials have a good definition of permanently attached/affixed. I was hoping someone could provide me with a definition and source reference to use. (Time to do some book ordering!)

Situation: I appraised a lakehouse a couple months ago. The lakehouse was down on a grade, with a 1 car garage at street level, and the main house and a "bunkhouse" down the grade, next to each other.

Due to the following NFIP guideline the lender is asking me to remove the value (minimal) for the bunkhouse and state that it is not permanently attached:

The NFIP allows 1 structure per flood policy. Separate structures and outbuildings that have value and considered permanent must have a separate flood policy. Outbuilding/separate structures would not need coverage if the appraisal specifically indicates no value AND the appraiser indicates that it is not permanently attached.

If I recall correctly, it is on a concrete footing/pier and wood post foundation (of course I have photos of all other structure's foundations, but not the bunkhouse).

Outside of it having contributory value (I did offer to appraise it with the hypothetical condition that it has no value), I'm wrestling with their "permanantly attached" argument. So far, I'm citing the following reasons for why it is permanently attached:

1) As an example, a fence may not have a concrete foundation, but it is still permanently attached/affixed and considered real property.

2) The bunk house has power and is heated.

3) The bunk house is down the grade, on the same level as the house. There is no physically or economically practical way to remove it.

4) If I recall correctly (I don't have a picture of the bunkhouse foundation), the bunkhouse is on a concrete footing/pier and wood post foundation.

I'm also pointing out: The garage is a seperate structure, on a concrete slab foundation, and has value. Wouldn't it require an additional policy as well?

If it helps, I can email anyone a pic of the bunkhouse as it sits next to the main house for better analysis.

Thanks!
 
The bunk house is "permanently attached" if it has a permanent foundation by any definition and the flood issue is theirs, not yours. If a storage building is sitting on a gravel base or a concrete pad, then it's not attached. If attached, I would reply that "It is attached and I am not a paid liar for you. My statement stands."
 
The bunk house is "permanently attached" if it has a permanent foundation by any definition and the flood issue is theirs, not yours. If a storage building is sitting on a gravel base or a concrete pad, then it's not attached. If attached, I would reply that "It is attached and I am not a paid liar for you. My statement stands."

I'm in agreement. Part of what I'm struggling with is finding an authoritative definition of "permanently attached" that I can cite.
 
Table 1-1 (pg 9) of "The Appraisal of Real Estate" (12th ed) lays out what is or is not "permanent" v. "personal" property
 
If it has a foundation/footings, it's attached. Period
 
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Go back out and take pictures of the foundation for the bunk house. That should answer all of their questions.
 
Table 1-1 (pg 9) of "The Appraisal of Real Estate" (12th ed) lays out what is or is not "permanent" v. "personal" property

That's what I was hoping to cite, but I haven't been able to find my copy since the move, and it's not available in a downloadable format.

If it's not too much trouble, I was hoping someone could scan that page(s) that lay out the definitions so I can cite it correctly.

Thanks!
 
Table 1-1 (pg 7) of "The Appraisal of Real Estate" (13th ed) ...none of that old 12th ed ;)
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Table 1-2 (pg 8) of "The Appraisal of Real Estate" (13th ed)
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Your local zoning code may also have a definition.
Our local one for a permanent building foundation - "A structural system for transposing to the earth below the established frost line without exceeding the safe bearing capacity of the supporting soil".
 
Awesomess - resguy, thank you mucho for scanning that! And everyone else, thank you! That is exactly the info I needed.

Fortunately, I'm going to be near that property Monday (as near as one can be to a rural lake home), so I'm going to make an early morning detour and grab a shot.
 
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