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Plagiarism! What should I do?

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hey - we "share" comments sections with one another and if someone comes up with a blerb that sounds better than someone else is using, anyone and everyone is liable to "translate it into their own reports"

this is All for ONE and one for none ........


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Mary in texas
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Excellent response George, but as I see it I can't define "Complex" and frankly I wonder if a court could. USPAP and FIRREA are law/regulations that tend to define things in abstract terms, apparently hoping the courts will sort them out...they don't sort very well.

I agree entirely that the Land Form is subject to abuse because so many addendum could be required. You gave an example of appraising land based upon what might be built. But I live in an area where zoning is pretty much non-existent. You have commercial buildings and houses being built in the same subdivisions as screwy as that sounds. Oklahoma recently passed a law that won't allow a chicken farm to be built within a 1/2 mile of a house, but no law protecting a chicken farm from having a subdivision built within 1/2 mile of it....which means you can grandfather a chicken farm by building a house. The worst property we have to appraise is near a regional airport where the Ark. Teacher Retirement System has purchased millions of dollars of land at premium plus prices. THe director of the ATRS has resigned under a cloud. Before it is over, I am afraid we may find out there was fraud, like a quid pro quo, as someone somewhere is profiting quite handsomely off the largess of the ATRS. Speculative property is far more difficult to appraise than commercial vacant tracts.

How about this example? A 1,800 SF 10 year home, average in every way, with 40 acres. Non-complex? $150,000 worth

How about a (2) 16,000 SF broiler houses on 40 acres. I have 10-20 comps for it from the past 18 mo. Non-complex? $160,000 worth

What about combining both? 80 acres, 2 chicken houses, & a home? $300,000 worth

2 Chicken houses might service the debt on the land and barns, but not likely to on the entire property. So is it really commercial income property, anymore than renting a house is? It is not an economic farm. Is it Complex Residential Property to be appraised by a Certified Residential or a CG? Or, non-residential, Certified General territory only?

This question came up for me because when I started 10 years ago, few farms were selling for more than $200-250,000. For the few I had that appraised for more, I used a couple of CGs who would cosign for me. One died, another retired, and a third had to retire with throat cancer. Finally, I was getting so many requests for +250K farms I had to take the CG test and upgrade. Was it really necessary for small farms?

If it has an owner occupied house on it, I contend it must be "residential" property regardless how complex. Until the industry settles on clear and unambigeous definitions of "Complex" I offer it is going to have to be like ****. You know it when you see it.

Ter
 
Terr,

Funny you should use the examples of these types of properties in the under-$300,000 range. I appraise properties all the time (more often than not) here in San Diego County that value-wise fall far below the $1,000,000 limitations of a ResLicensee's restrictions. I say this to point out that the value range itself is no indication of complexity. From a technical standpoint, these types of properties are actually more difficult to appraise than the large investment grade commercial properties (because of the lack of homogenous comparable data); and certainly more complex than a large custom home exceeding $1,000,000. What I'm saying Terrell, is that you undoubtably have skills that far exceed those of a 1-year wonder, and your need of the CG license to do these properties for a lender is exactly what the feds had in mind with FIRREA.

I would classify all of the properties you mentioned as complex, specifically because of the question of highest and best use. The lack of a general plan or site specific zoning makes the H&B use analyses even more difficult and even more relevant. Heck, the availability of utilities by itself can be a big factor, yet is commonly overlooked by appraisers. Even if they end up being appraised as residences, the appraiser must be proficient enough with looking at any possible alternatives that they can make the call competently. Thing is, and this applies to us all at one time or another, that sometimes we don't know what we don't know.

Lemme ask you this. Would you automatically trust the average local ResLicensee working as your employee or subcontractor (but with no supervision) to correctly appraise any of those properties? No offense meant to any ResLicensee on this forum (as I recognize that some of them are that good), but I wouldn't.


George Hatch
 
Terr,

Not to beat a dead horse on this, but I thought I would add the following: if the properties in question were too complex for an unsupervised ResLic to appraise for a bank when the value was above $250,000, then they were also complex when the value was below $250,000. And I say this without making any references to your competency on them, because I reckon that probably wasn't a problem in your particular case.

I'd be willing to bet you used some of those types of assignments to comply with at least part of the non-residential appraisal experience requirements for your CG license. Yes? Because if you did, then they obviously were considered by someone at your state board to be non-residential in nature.


George Hatch
 
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