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Question about appraisal for USDA loan

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I have some questions I'm hoping some of you can shed light on. I recently applied for a USDA loan and have run into a very low appraisal on the property I was going to purchase that I strongly feel doesn't accurately reflect the market values of our area.

The property in question is a 2,430 square foot modern ranch home completed in 2007. (For the record that is the appraiser's sq footage, the Realtor actually had it at 2380 so I trust that part as being accurate) It is situated on a lot of .81 acres with a sales contract price of $190,000.


The appraiser who is from another neighboring county roughly 45 minutes away used four comps, all from a two mile radius in his report. Selling price would be $190,000, or $78.19 per square foot based on the appraisal report. The appraiser valued the property at $175,000 with a Q3 quality rating.

Comp #1 was a 2342 square foot short sale house almost identical to the one I am buying, just slightly smaller. It sold for $154,000 in October of 2011. Age is the same as well with a Q3 rating.

Comp #2 was an eight year old 1829 square foot foreclosure that a listing realtor purchased themselves in October of last year for $132,000. The appraiser had total adjustments of +$33,045 on this comp for a Net adjustment of 25% and a gross adjustment of 27.3%. This comp was rated a Q4.

Comp #3 was a recent sale of a 12 year old 1,620 square foot home that sold for $136,000 in the same neighborhood. He adjusted this comp +40,256 for a net adjustment of 29.6% and a gross adjustment of 50.5%. The sale price of this home was $83.95 per sq foot based on his calculations. This comp was also rated a Q4.

Comp #4 was a 20 year old just sold 1,621 square foot home in an older but similar neighborhood less than 1/2 mile away. He adjusted this comp +29,905 for a net adjustment of 17.6% and gross adjustment of 33.5%. The selling price of this home was $170,000 or $104.87 per square foot. He also rated this comp a Q4.

All four comps were similar in composition- 3 bedrooms, 2 baths, and all but one had 7 total rooms (Comp #3 had 8 total rooms)

All four houses are on comparable lots and no adjustments were made for location. All of the adjustments were for square footage, age, and things like fencing and security systems. All had garages, driveways, and other similar features.

The appraiser did not disclose in his report that Comp's #1 & #2 represented a short sale and foreclosure.

I'm curious what the input from the forum would be on this choice of comps. We're located in a small town with a very limited market. There are no active comparable listings on the market (by the appraiser's own admission in his report), and in most cases appraisals in this area will use additional comps from the neighboring city (7 miles away) since we are located in the same county and are part of the same school district, etc. Where we are is considered more desirable because most feel the smaller schools here are better.

If you were the appraiser in this question would you not consider comps from the neighboring town given that you are in the same county, same school district if you could find an ample supply of houses there equal in size, quality, and age with which to compare the current property?
 
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You need a local appraiser to answer your question. Comps used might be the physically closest to yours, in proximity which is a big deal with some lenders and AMCs. Going 7 miles out for comps would typically trigger lots of BS from an AMC. But then again, only a local appraiser can answer your questions. Typically I don't adjust comps for alarm systems, but your area may be different.
 
Selling price would be $190,000, or $78.19 per square foot based on the appraisal report. The appraiser valued the property at $175,000 with a Q3 quality rating.

$/sqft is not an accurate way to determine value, and no (decent) appraiser will ever use that approach.

Comp #1 was a 2342 square foot short sale house almost identical to the one I am buying, just slightly smaller. It sold for $154,000 in October of 2011. Age is the same as well with a Q3 rating.

Comp #2 was an eight year old 1829 square foot foreclosure that a listing realtor purchased themselves in October of last year for $132,000. The appraiser had total adjustments of +$33,045 on this comp for a Net adjustment of 25% and a gross adjustment of 27.3%. This comp was rated a Q4.

Comp #3 was a recent sale of a 12 year old 1,620 square foot home that sold for $136,000 in the same neighborhood. He adjusted this comp +40,256 for a net adjustment of 29.6% and a gross adjustment of 50.5%. The sale price of this home was $83.95 per sq foot based on his calculations. This comp was also rated a Q4.

Comp #4 was a 20 year old just sold 1,621 square foot home in an older but similar neighborhood less than 1/2 mile away. He adjusted this comp +29,905 for a net adjustment of 17.6% and gross adjustment of 33.5%. The selling price of this home was $170,000 or $104.87 per square foot. He also rated this comp a Q4.

those percentages are pretty high. did the appraiser make any comments about them?

The appraiser did not disclose in his report that Comp's #1 & #2 represented a short sale and foreclosure.

we HAVE to report what type of sale it was, and what type of financing, if known. if you could find this info out the appraiser should be able to. it should be on the comps grid near the top of each column. take another look and see if it is there.

I'm curious what the input from the forum would be on this choice of comps. We're located in a small town with a very limited market. There are no active comparable listings on the market (by the appraiser's own admission in his report), and in most cases appraisals in this area will use additional comps from the neighboring city (7 miles away) since we are located in the same county and are part of the same school district, etc. Where we are is considered more desirable because most feel the smaller schools here are better.

i can't make any comments about your particular market as i have never worked there but schools systems are only important to people with small children though.
 
$/sqft is not an accurate way to determine value, and no (decent) appraiser will ever use that approach.



those percentages are pretty high. did the appraiser make any comments about them?

we HAVE to report what type of sale it was, and what type of financing, if known. if you could find this info out the appraiser should be able to. it should be on the comps grid near the top of each column. take another look and see if it is there.

The only information listed in the comps grid about each sale is how it was financed. Two were FHA, 1 USDA, and 1 Conventional. No other references or acknowledgement of the fact that one was a short sale and another was a foreclosure is present anywhere in the report.

There also were no comments or justifications of the high percentage of adjustments.
 
The only information listed in the comps grid about each sale is how it was financed. Two were FHA, 1 USDA, and 1 Conventional. No other references or acknowledgement of the fact that one was a short sale and another was a foreclosure is present anywhere in the report.

There also were no comments or justifications of the high percentage of adjustments.


the type of sale should be right above the financing. it's a requirement to have something there.

The appraiser must indicate the sale type for each comparable property. If more than one sale type applies to the comparable property, the appraiser must start at the top of the list and identify the first sale type that applies. The valid values are:

ABBREVIATED ENTRY SALE TYPE

REO REO sale
Short Short sale
CrtOrd Court ordered sale
Estate Estate sale
Relo Relocation sale
NonArm Non-arms length sale
ArmLth Arms length sale
Listing Listing

Note, The appraiser may report any other relevant information regarding the sale type, including whether more than one sale type applies, elsewhere in the appraisal report.


so above the financing (FHA, Conv, VA, etc) it is blank? no mention of it anywhere else in the appraisal?
 
Sounds like he made a serious of adjustments "from the list"...(by that a stock answer that often is not market supported)

If the 2 short sales are showing a lower value and the others a higher value, then the short sales should have been adjusted up. There seems to be a lot of appraisers however who think if they have half REO/Shorts and half market sales, then "market" must be inbetween. I, for one, don't agree. The non-short sales should be weighted.
 
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