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Questions about outbuilding value

When you properly value outbuildings it can bake that square peg hard to fit in the round hole that AMCs or lenders expect. I am constantly out of the of guidelines on rural properties for this reason among others. They don't like it. I am constantly stating that the property characteristics are not the appraiser's fault, but valuing them correctly is a requirement no matter what their lender guidelines for adjustments may be.

Property sales with 5000 sf barns, pools and arenas are not a dime a dozen like they expect. You can have one with a similar barn but a much larger or smaller house, or large acreage difference, one with a pool, one with an arena and a smaller barn. Its potpourri for the appraisal assignment.
These properties very frequently do not fit into the standard Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac portfolio. Sometimes you need a couple of comparables with similar acreage, a couple with similar residential improvements, and a couple with similar outbuildings, if possible. Once you start making your adjustments, a number will work its way out. Will the grid be pretty or meet guidelines, hell no. But the number will be reasonably credible. Sometimes that’s the best you could help for.
 
These properties very frequently do not fit into the standard Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac portfolio. Sometimes you need a couple of comparables with similar acreage, a couple with similar residential improvements, and a couple with similar outbuildings, if possible. Once you start making your adjustments, a number will work its way out. Will the grid be pretty or meet guidelines, hell no. But the number will be reasonably credible. Sometimes that’s the best you could help for.
Q. What is that described above called?
A. Appraising.
 
Hi all, and thank you in advance for your time. I am currently contracted to sell our farm, and unfortunately the appraisal came in lower than the contract price. After reviewing the appraisal report, it appears to me that the appraiser found great comparables, as I expect this can be difficult in rural areas.

Where I'm confused and feel like I should respond in some way, is that the appraiser only gave a 20k adjustment for the outbuildings on the property. Said outbuildings include a 100'x30' 9 stall horse barn with 2 garage bays, an office, hot water, and electricity and a 30'x40' metal quonset hut in like new condition. There are a few other sheds on the property as well, but they are small enough to likely be ignored.

I recognize that I'm not at all an expert, so I'm here to gain further understanding, and maybe learn how to to respond in my ROV without coming off offensively or like a know it all civilian. The appraisers notes say that the outbuildings were not given much value because of their poor condition, but as I stated, the quonset hut is like new and the horse barn is cinder block construction and in perfectly useable condition. These are significant selling points for the property.

Please forgive me if I'm asking a dumb question!
Let us know. I still think your buyer really wants this property. Don't be afraid to back out. Sounds like you have a really nice place. How long have you had it on market?

Have you changed asking price since you have had it on market?
 
Just out of curiosity, how did you list it on market when you listed it?
 
Let us know. I still think your buyer really wants this property. Don't be afraid to back out. Sounds like you have a really nice place. How long have you had it on market?

Have you changed asking price since you have had it on market?
I never got to market. The buyer has been our neighbor since we bought it in 21 and has always hated us. We felt like she wanted to buy it from the previous owners, whom we befriended, and has been very rude the entire time. That all changed when we asked if they were interested in purchasing it. Her property is landlocked with a right of way that I don't own, but I do share the same driveway. My property is not landlocked, and I have a second driveway to the main road. Owning my property would mean she is no longer landlocked and no longer has to share a driveway.



I was renovating the home, and intended to list at 500 when complete. She balked at that price and walked away, but her realtor contacted me two days later. Her realtor offered made an as is offer at 435k, showing me some really bad comps to support that assessment (some of which were used in the original appraisal, almost a year old, not accounting for outbuildings, etc.). After negotiation, we landed at 450k as is, i walk away and her contractors finish it the way she wants. They added a contingency for every inspection under the sun, to which we informed them that they were free to do their due diligence, but that at this price, we weren't going to be doing any requested repairs beyond the 1 percent cap for lender requests.



20 days go by, and they ask for an extension for inspections because they haven't been able to get all inspectors out yet. another 10 days goes by, and we finally get a picra asking for 40k in repairs. We mostly said no but agreed to fix a couple of things that were going to be lender requested. Appraiser finally comes out, and the buyer's realtor is adamant that I don't need to be there. I was there anyways, doing some cleaning, and observed the buyer's agent walking around with the appraiser. Appraiser spoke to me during his walkthrough, and in person said that they were impressed with the horse barn, and that it must have been a huge purchase point.

This is why it caught me off guard when I read in his report that not much value was given to the outbuildings due to poor condition. I also found it strange that when I saw that he used the same comps as she had shown me when offering 435. Sure, this could be evidence that she was also good at finding comps and that I was not experienced enough to know what my home was actually worth, but again, there was no value given to the outbuildings, and when I spoke to another appraiser for help with the ROV, it didn't take him but 5 minutes to find better and newer comps to support the contract price.


TLDR; I agree with your assessment that the buyer really wants the property, but I feel they have been playing games in an effort to get it as cheap as possible. If they aren't willing to come out of pocket, I'm going to parcel the property and put 3 new homes on her driveway regardless of whether its profitable to me or not.
 
I never got to market. The buyer has been our neighbor since we bought it in 21 and has always hated us. We felt like she wanted to buy it from the previous owners, whom we befriended, and has been very rude the entire time. That all changed when we asked if they were interested in purchasing it. Her property is landlocked with a right of way that I don't own, but I do share the same driveway. My property is not landlocked, and I have a second driveway to the main road. Owning my property would mean she is no longer landlocked and no longer has to share a driveway.



I was renovating the home, and intended to list at 500 when complete. She balked at that price and walked away, but her realtor contacted me two days later. Her realtor offered made an as is offer at 435k, showing me some really bad comps to support that assessment (some of which were used in the original appraisal, almost a year old, not accounting for outbuildings, etc.). After negotiation, we landed at 450k as is, i walk away and her contractors finish it the way she wants. They added a contingency for every inspection under the sun, to which we informed them that they were free to do their due diligence, but that at this price, we weren't going to be doing any requested repairs beyond the 1 percent cap for lender requests.



20 days go by, and they ask for an extension for inspections because they haven't been able to get all inspectors out yet. another 10 days goes by, and we finally get a picra asking for 40k in repairs. We mostly said no but agreed to fix a couple of things that were going to be lender requested. Appraiser finally comes out, and the buyer's realtor is adamant that I don't need to be there. I was there anyways, doing some cleaning, and observed the buyer's agent walking around with the appraiser. Appraiser spoke to me during his walkthrough, and in person said that they were impressed with the horse barn, and that it must have been a huge purchase point.

This is why it caught me off guard when I read in his report that not much value was given to the outbuildings due to poor condition. I also found it strange that when I saw that he used the same comps as she had shown me when offering 435. Sure, this could be evidence that she was also good at finding comps and that I was not experienced enough to know what my home was actually worth, but again, there was no value given to the outbuildings, and when I spoke to another appraiser for help with the ROV, it didn't take him but 5 minutes to find better and newer comps to support the contract price.


TLDR; I agree with your assessment that the buyer really wants the property, but I feel they have been playing games in an effort to get it as cheap as possible. If they aren't willing to come out of pocket, I'm going to parcel the property and put 3 new homes on her driveway regardless of whether its profitable to me or not.
The aspect about the driveway and its impact on the prospective buyer's property means that your property is worth more to her than to any other potential buyer. If she pays market value for your property, she gains more than she paid by removing the detriment to that property she already owns. You have the facts you need and are in the driver's seat in this negotiation. If you are not in a must sell situation, I would simply sit on your heels and enjoy the process. "Just say no" applies for crooks and weasels as well as drug dealers!
 
Sounds to me like it was just easier to say they had no value, t
Ah, the Sgt. Schultz defense...

In my market these buildings usually have some value, often well under the cost but nevertheless valuable. To ignore and not explain is inappropriate. If an ROV request, then I would want to demonstrate other sales with big barns that do clearly increase the sale price and provide them as proof the building has SOME value. If they refused, I would turn them into the state board.
 
Kill the deal. Re list it with a right of 1st refusal to the neighbor, if you think they will bite again. Get the mean thoughts out of your head, the buyer is a typical buyer trying to save money.
 
Kill the deal. Re list it with a right of 1st refusal to the neighbor, if you think they will bite again. Get the mean thoughts out of your head, the buyer is a typical buyer trying to save money.
I'm not sure I see the benefit of a rofr here for me... Why wouldn't I just take the best offer from the party that offered it? If the neighbor was willing to match it, they should have offered it in the first place?
 
I'm not sure I see the benefit of a rofr here for me... Why wouldn't I just take the best offer from the party that offered it? If the neighbor was willing to match it, they should have offered it in the first place?
I agree completely. They've had their chance. Let the first offer go, return EM, if any, and do whatever repairs/maintenance necessary for listing. "First Rights" tend to muddy the water; I'd wait and start over with new offer, new appraiser, etc.
 
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