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Treatment of Personal Property
Lenders are reminded that personal property, including (but not limited to) furniture, vehicles, boats, floating boat docks, and art work, may not be included as additional security for any mortgage on a one-unit property unless otherwise specified by Fannie Mae. Personal property is permitted as part of the security for a loan on a two- to four-unit property to the extent it is pledged by the 1-4 Family Rider (Form 3170). Whether an item is real or personal property is generally determined by the law of the jurisdiction where the property is located. A professional appraiser who has the knowledge, experience, and geographical competence to complete the appraisal assignment must also possess the expertise to identify personal property items in the appraisal.

In my market a boat slip is not the same as a boat dock. Boat slips are almost always permanently affixed via piers (either wood or cement). Some of these slips in my market will bring as much 45,000 in a transaction. Also I do lots of waterfront property. When a typical house sells the appliances go with it. When waterfront properties sell typically the boat dock sells with it because it is like an "appliance." Sellers don't haul the dock with them after they sell the property. Just not practical. If you tried to subtract out that value of a portable dock from the purchase it would be an exercise in futility in most cases. But vehicles, furniture, boats, etc are not typical to go with a property.

I should also mention that we have new permanent piers that cost $1,000 a foot to build. Add permanent boat lift worth 50,000 and you have lots of value. Definitely NOT personal property. And some of our old cement piers that are well maintained (no longer can be built like this) bring between 100,000 to 250,000 in value to a property depending upon size.
 
I feel like telling AMCs, "I did the appraisal, I've gone on to do other work, an appraisal isn't a maintenance agreement where I agreed to update the report for the next month or two because the lender wants to jerk the borrower or the AMC around." We all know the AMCs that are the worse and they should be quoted higher fees from $50 to $100.
 
I feel like telling AMCs, "I did the appraisal, I've gone on to do other work, an appraisal isn't a maintenance agreement where I agreed to update the report for the next month or two because the lender wants to jerk the borrower or the AMC around." We all know the AMCs that are the worse and they should be quoted higher fees from $50 to $100.

I would agree that in general fees need to be more realistic. But much of what the lender is dealing with are the regulators on the other end. They have to sell that loan to Fannie or Freddie that are driving much of what the lenders are doing and as the say, "crap rolls downhill." We happen to be the bottom of the hill.

So as a business decision you have to decide to raise fees to deal with stipulations. Remember the lender and AMC will charge as little as possible to get a product. This is called capitalism. However the AMC model has taken away much of the free market aspect by limiting the number of clients vs. vendors. This makes appraisers afraid to raise fees.

Before the HVCC came into affect I had scores of clients. After the HVCC came into affect it went down to about eight. So before the HVCC I could easily choose what to charge or if I wanted the job. Now not so much.

The regulatory environment we now live in is so egregious compared to the past that I have decided to basically leave the profession. I have decided to stop being at the bottom of the hill. Thankfully I'm at that point in my life.

However before I became an appraiser I was in a different profession. I didn't like what I was doing. I made a change when I was 40. It was hard, but it can be done.

So my advice to younger appraisers is to ask, "Can I do this for another 20 years knowing that the regulatory environment will not get better but more likely worse?" I've seldom seen the regulatory aspect become less! I can't imagine what they will be asking appraisers to do in the future. For example in an FHA it is now expected to test appliances that are not even real property! It's ridiculous.

Just think about how the scope of work as changed? Just think about CU and how they are beginning to expand the flagged fields? Just think about how many more stipulations we are now getting vs say 5 years ago? Just think about how fees are pretty much stagnant or are barely keeping up with inflation? Just think about how much longer it takes to do one report now because of things like the UAD etc?

When I think back about how things have changed I don't think the accuracy of the opinions of value have changed. My ability to value a property are not better now. The only reason we now have more oversight is because of the regulators and the idea that the financial crisis was caused by appraisers over inflating values. Again "crap rolls downhill." Ironically those people that made the least in the transaction are being blamed for inflating the values in the transaction! I find that pretty stupid logic.
 
Interesting. In Wisconsin they are considered real property and taxed that way. Separate boat slips are even given a parcel ID number.
 
At least these revisions regarding a boat slip are on something atypical.

The original question, I hate revision after revision on a standard form..Can you dot your i differently, will you cross your t differently??

I have one client like that where each report is almost always 2-4 revisions after submission and spans a few weeks out. Extremely frustrating. High maintenance clients are like high maintenance girlfriends, they're ok short term but have to go at some point when the juice isn't worth the squeeze..
 
I have one client like that where each report is almost always 2-4 revisions after submission and spans a few weeks out. Extremely frustrating. High maintenance clients are like high maintenance girlfriends, they're ok short term but have to go at some point when the juice isn't worth the squeeze..

Wonder if it's the individual UW and not necessarily the client? I have a local CU client that rotates thru a group of 6 UWs every few months. So the same UW will review my reports for a few months then a new one pops up. Each has their own idiosyncrasies when it comes to revisions. Some will find any excuse for revisions, some don't ever find anything wrong and others are more middle of the road and reasonable. Currently I'm dealing with one of the "never finds anything wrong" UWs. Haven't had a revision request in over 2 months. Before that was a middle of the roader. Which means in the next month or two it should be back to one of the PITA UWs.
 
When I think back about how things have changed I don't think the accuracy of the opinions of value have changed. My ability to value a property are not better now. The only reason we now have more oversight is because of the regulators and the idea that the financial crisis was caused by appraisers over inflating values. Again "crap rolls downhill." Ironically those people that made the least in the transaction are being blamed for inflating the values in the transaction! I find that pretty stupid logic.
I was in banking as a VP/Commercial lender during the start of the financial crisis, up until 2006. At the bank level we were basically being told by our government and the regulators to make loans to people to purchase homes that historically would never have qualified. The appraisers at the time had the comparables because the market was moving up so fast. The appraisers did not cause the crisis, they were supplying appraisal reports where the inflated sale prices of the comparables were readily available. You are spot on when you say 'crap rolls downhill'. I don't mind regulation, we as appraisers need it, the lenders/banks need it........but the people that create some of these regulations (government, Fannie Mae, etc), (example is the new FHA requirements that effectively make an appraiser a home inspector) is often times, unrealistic and in my opinion an over-response to a problem the appraisers did not cause but were simply a party to.
 
I'm not convinced that the current regulatory environment is beneficial to the appraisal profession.

That said, I believe that many (I'll eschew the word "all") appraisers suffered loss of work for not accommodating sales prices during the relatively brief "no doc/low doc" period of buyer qualification that led up to the meltdown. At the same time, I believe that there were a goodly number of appraisers who did very well accommodating the spurious demand that was fueled by that speculative lending environment. And I certainly don't believe that appraisers who worked hard to accommodate those transactions can stand back feigning innocence or surprise at what was going on at the time.
 
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