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Rural Vs Suburban

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Nick1985

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I had a lender come back to me about whether a rural designation would be more appropriate as I had to go out 15 miles for comparables. Yes I know, on the face of it, it seems obvious. 15 miles for comps! How could it not be rural! I typically mark it suburban based on build up and whether it is actually located in the city limits of the several small towns in the area.

Our entire area can be considered rural, most properties around here do qualify for USDA. Our nearby "big city" has a population of only 20,000. The property in question is located inside the city limits of a very small community of only 1,200. It is located within the city limits of the small town, has city water & sewer, and is located in a typical residential neighborhood with houses lining the street and site sizes of somewhere around 10,000 sf. These are the reasons I marked the property suburban. The population center is small, but the build up in the subject's immediate surrounding area is around 75%. It's just a very small center, only like 1 mile of driving or less and you are out county roads in what I would consider true rural areas.

The population is small and the market activity is extremely limited. Typically for properties like this I have to expand my search criteria to include other similar small communites that line the Ohio River, which results in comps being 15 miles away.

Should this property be actually marked as rural? I consider all of these areas small rural communities. Like I stated, I have just always checked suburban based on the facts stated above. I have never considered whether an actual suburban designation would impact lending decisions for potential USDA loans, and this is the first time I have had a lender come back with this request.
 
i have similar market description. i indicate it as rural and over 75%.

here is my response when an AMC asks why i said rural instead of suburban:

The US Census Bureau defines an urbanized area as having 50,000 or more people with a population density of at least 1,000/sq mi with any census block groups around this core having a density of at least 500/sq mi. Merriam-Webster defines suburban as a town or other area where people live in houses near a larger city. The US Census Bureau defines rural as encompassing all population, housing, and territory not included within an urban area. City name is not an urbanized area nor is it a suburb of a larger city. It is a small rural community with a population of 1,500.
 
Rural is as rural does. Swimming upstream against the true current is best left to migrating fish. Aerial maps help explain the issue better than 1000 words.
 
Rural is as rural does. Swimming upstream against the true current is best left to migrating fish. Aerial maps help explain the issue better than 1000 words.
i agree and also include 2 maps. one being a closeup showing the lot lines, and a wider town map (remember these are always less than 2 sq mi and sometimes less than 1 sq mi).

the question is something like: rural is contradictory to over 75% built-up, please revise or explain
 
A small town is suburban. The neighborhood is the town. The market area may be other nearby towns.
 
I won't speak for Terrel, but this is my take
please change my mind. in all honesty, not being sarcastic, i would like you to explain it.
Grew up in 2 "small towns" (less than 15,000 people) but have lived in cities (over 250,000+) since I've been 16

Although my young, young years were definitely not urban, they also weren't rural (IMO)
I never considered myself "rural" and even talk about it sometimes with my wife, who grew up with 20 acres

To me, the double lot we now own (ca 13,000+ sf) is a "huge" property
 
if you can pee from your front porch, and no one sees you, it is rural.
if you do, people see you, and people complain it is suburban
if you do, people see you, and no one complains, it is urban.

If platted into lots it contains subdivisions. It also contains restrictions (most likely) or town laws. A subdivision outside of city limits is rurban. An incorporated town is suburban.

Rural is defined by PLSS or metes and bounds, it is not regulated until the county level.
 
if you can pee from your front porch, and no one sees you, it is rural.
if you do, people see you, and people complain it is suburban
if you do, people see you, and no one complains, it is urban.

I think there was another test about getting a pizza delivered, but this has been covered before.
It is sometimes debatable, and not a hill you want to die on. :peace:
 
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