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Sales Price to List Price Ratio

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If this adjustment is not a prediction for any one listing, why are we placing that adjustment on the sales grid for that listing? Why not just give the ratio in the comment section and leave it at that. IMO when you do go ahead and make that adjustment, the reader of the report will think that is exactly what you are doing and why they are asking for it, no matter how many times you disclaim it.
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"...when you do go ahead and make that adjustment, the reader of the report will think that is exactly what you are doing...no matter how many times you disclaim it."

I can't help it if the "reader" lacks comprehension skills...there's no easy cure for "idiocy".

That stated, I work under the assumption that those for whom the appraisal is developed and communicated do possess at least average comprehension skills and will not be mis-guided. Besides, if they can't comprehend that little portion of my appraisal report, why would I believe that they would comprehend anything that is contained in the report? Following, if the "reader" (for whom the appraisal is intended) lacks comprehension skills, why bother to communicate the appraisal?
 
Who are these mystery people that think the adjusted values of the comparables or listings are indicative of sales price of the comparable or listing?
To what purpose does using a SP:LP adjustment serve if not to indicate a probably selling price based on historical norms?
 
To what purpose does using a SP:LP adjustment serve if not to indicate a probably selling price based on historical norms?

The purpose of any and all adjustments is to provide a market value for the subject. The SP/LP adjustment is not made in a vacuum, just as Time adjustments made to the comparables are not. The arguement against applying a SP/LP adjustment is akin to saying don't make Time Adjustments to the sold comparbles, someone might confuse your adjustment to that particular comparable to constitute an appraisal of that particular comparable as of the effective date of the appraisal.
 
If you're sticking in a listing of a similar property listed at $200,000 and 60 days on the market and the market data shows that most homes sell at 95% of their list price within 90 days of being listed and most homes which sell in 45 days or less usually selling at about 100% of list price, it just stands to reason that the list price of anything on the market over 60 and less than 90 is probably 5% too high. Including listings in the sales presentation and not adjusting for listing price errors found in the market is misleading.

Why are so many of you such "'fraidy cats" over this issue? Especially TJ. You seem to really have a lot of knowledge and common sense on every other topic.
 
The purpose of any and all adjustments is to provide a market value for the subject.
Adjustments are made to compensate for a difference between a comparable and the subject.



Rex said:
The SP/LP adjustment is not made in a vacuum, just as Time adjustments made to the comparables are not. The arguement against applying a SP/LP adjustment is akin to saying don't make Time Adjustments to the sold comparbles, someone might confuse your adjustment to that particular comparable to constitute an appraisal of that particular comparable as of the effective date of the appraisal.
When you make any adjustment what you are in effect saying is what the comparable would have been worth if a particular attribute was the same as the subject's (including Time). A SP:LP adjustment to a comparable is in effect giving an opinion of that property's likely sales price as of the effective date. If the data for the adjustment is good I don't see a problem.

The issue I have with using SP:LP at this time is that the this adjustment is problematic to calculate as I've noted in my prior post. For me, using a single point SP:LP would create a misleading report in my opinion. Using a SP:LP range to arrive at an adjusted price range for a comparable might be a better solution. Something along the lines of "80% of the time homes sell between 85% and 105% of their listing price" and then using an adjusted price range for listing comparables.

Maybe your area is more stable and without the 65% to 115% swings in SP:LP within neighborhoods I'm seeing. Maybe you have a better way of calculating SP:LP which some hows includes using all listings in its development, not just the listing price of homes which sold. Please do share your methods and methodology.
 
I understand your angst, every market is not Cali, thank God. But in reading your prior post, it seems you have the capability to capture the true market reaction in your research. I suggest using those comparables and the resulting ratio if applicable. I think it was Mark Twain that said "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
 
So you think it is not USPAP compliants to make sp/lp adjustments????????


HUD requires it! :D



March 23, 2009
MORTGAGEE LETTER 2009-09



TO: ALL APPROVED MORTGAGEES
ALL FHA ROSTER APPRAISERS

SUBJECT: Adoption of Market Conditions Addendum (Fannie Mae Form 1004MC/Freddie Mac Form 71) and Appraisal Reporting Requirements for Properties located in Declining Markets


Currently, all Federal Housing Administration (FHA) Roster Appraisers are required to report on housing trends in the Neighborhood section of the applicable property specific appraisal reporting form. The Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice (USPAP) mandate that an appraiser maintain documentation necessary to support all analyses, opinions and conclusions for each appraisal assignment in a work file. In order to ensure greater transparency and accuracy of appraisals performed for FHA-insured financing, FHA will adopt the Market Conditions Addendum (Fannie Mae Form 1004MC/ Freddie Mac Form 71, released November 2008). For all appraisals of properties that are to be security for FHA-insured mortgages and that are performed on or after April 1, 2009, the appraisal must include the Market Conditions Addendum. Fannie Mae Announcement 08-30 contains further information and instructions on completing the Addendum and is available online at:

https://www.efanniemae.com/sf/guides/ssg/annltrs/pdf/2008/0830.pdf

The announcement provides guidelines for using Fannie Mae Form 1004MC which should be utilized by FHA Roster Appraisers to complete the form. Additional guidelines and instructions provided in the announcement that are unrelated to completing Fannie Mae Form 1004MC are not applicable to FHA appraisal reporting requirements and procedures.
FHA Roster Appraisers and FHA Mortgagees are reminded that seller concession guidance is provided in Mortgagee Letter 2005-02.

Use of Closed Comparable Sales and Active Listings/Pending Sales for Appraisals in Declining Markets

Mortgagee Letter 2007-11 provides guidance on appraisal practices in declining markets and Mortgagee Letter 2008-09 provides guidance for when there is need for a second appraisal for properties located in declining markets and limitations on cash-out refinances. As economic instability continues to impact many segments of the economy and as home prices continue to decline in many housing markets throughout the country due to job losses and increased foreclosures, FHA finds it necessary and prudent to set forth additional guidance for collateral assessment practices for properties located in a declining market. This guidance is also effective April 1, 2009.

Declining Markets

Although there is no standard industry definition, for purposes of performing appraisals of properties that are to be collateral for FHA insured mortgages, a declining market is considered to be any neighborhood, market area, or region that demonstrates a decline in prices or deterioration in other market conditions as evidenced by an oversupply of existing inventory or extended marketing times. A declining trend in the market will be identified by the conclusions of the 1004MC form. The appraiser must provide a summary comment and provide support for all conclusions relating to the trend of the current market.

Appraisal Reporting Requirements in Declining Markets

Appraisals of properties located in declining markets must include at least two comparable sales that closed within 90 days prior to the effective date of the appraisal.
In some markets compliance with this requirement may be difficult or not possible due to the lack of market data and, in these cases, a detailed explanation is required. The appraiser is expected to include at least two sales that are as similar as possible to the subject and which settled within 90 days of the effective date of the appraisal in order to show recent market activity.

In order to ensure that FHA receives an accurate and thorough appraisal analysis, the inclusion of comparable listings and/or pending sales is required in appraisals of properties that are located in declining markets. Specifically, the appraiser must:

• Include a minimum of two active listings or pending sales on the appraisal grid of the applicable appraisal reporting form in comparable 4-6 position or higher (in addition to the three settled sales).

• Insure that active listings and pending sales are market tested and have reasonable market exposure to avoid the use of over priced properties as comparables. Reasonable market exposure is reflected by typical marketing times for the neighborhood. The comparable listings should be truly comparable and the appraiser should bracket the listings using both dwelling size and sales price whenever possible.

Adjust active listings to reflect list to sale price ratios for the market.

• Adjust pending sales to reflect the contract purchase price whenever possible or adjust pending sales to reflect list to sale price ratios.
• Include the original list price, any revised list prices, and total days on the market (DOM). Provide an explanation for DOM that do not approximate time frames reported in the Neighborhood section of the appraisal reporting form or that do not coincide with the DOM noted in the Market Conditions Addendum.

• Reconcile the adjusted values of active listings or pending sales with the adjusted values of the settled sales provided. If the adjusted values of the settled comparables are higher than the adjusted values of the active listings or pending sales, the appraiser must determine if a market condition adjustment is appropriate. The final value conclusion should not be based solely on the comparable listing or pending sales data.

• Include an absorption rate analysis, which is critical to developing and supporting market trend conclusions, as mandated by the Market Conditions Addendum. For example, assuming 36 sales during a six month period, the absorption rate is 6 sales per month (36/6).

Data Requirements

Data regarding market trends is available from a number of local and nationwide sources. Appraisers must be diligent in using only impartial sources of data.

• The appraiser must verify data via local parties to the transaction: agents, buyers, sellers, lenders, etc. (if the sale cannot be verified by a party then public records or other impartial data source that can be replicated may be used). A Multiple Listing Service (MLS) by itself is not considered a verification source.

• Unacceptable data sources include local and national media and other sources considered not readily verifiable. Appraisal results should be able to be replicated.

• Known or reported incentives or sales concessions must be noted in the financing section of the grid for any active or pending comparable used.

Lender Responsibilities

Lenders are responsible for properly reviewing the appraisal and determining if the appraised value used to determine the mortgage amount is accurate and adequately supports the value conclusion.

Direct Endorsement lenders are reminded that if the appraiser they selected provides a poor or fraudulent appraisal that leads FHA to insure a mortgage at an inflated amount, the lender is held responsible, equally with the appraiser, for the integrity, accuracy and thoroughness of an appraisal submitted to FHA for mortgage insurance purposes.
 
If you're sticking in a listing of a similar property listed at $200,000 and 60 days on the market and the market data shows that most homes sell at 95% of their list price within 90 days of being listed and most homes which sell in 45 days or less usually selling at about 100% of list price, it just stands to reason that the list price of anything on the market over 60 and less than 90 is probably 5% too high. Including listings in the sales presentation and not adjusting for listing price errors found in the market is misleading.

Why are so many of you such "'fraidy cats" over this issue? Especially TJ. You seem to really have a lot of knowledge and common sense on every other topic.

Thank you, but hey, two people do not have to agree on everything... unless you are married to them and want to keep the peace. :rof:

Nothing personal, that is why we are all here for good debates on appraisal issues. I am not afraid of the adjustment, I just don't believe in it. I was always taught to never, ever, put anything in a report that you can not defend in court.

There are just way too many assumptions involved with this adjustment for my taste. The main assumption is that you are assuming the listing will receive a contract offer in the first place. If the listing you are using expires or is taken off the market for any reason prior to receiving a contract offer, what is the LP/SP ratio for those? It does not apply, there is none. If you are to use this adjustment, it seems to me the proper comparable to apply it to are those that are already under contract (where the contract price is unknown).

We've debated this before, with many of the same people, we aren't going to change sides, but it is more for those new to the forum to learn and see what side they will take, or if they can bring new insights.
 
Yeah, these are re-runs, but some questions remain un-answered. Care to share?

Who are these mystery people that think the adjusted values of the comparables or listings are indicative of sales price of the comparable or listing? Do you have HOs suing someone when they find out your adjusted value of their sold comparable is lower than what they paid?

The arguement against applying a SP/LP adjustment is akin to saying don't make Time Adjustments to the sold comparables, someone might confuse your adjustment to that particular comparable to constitute an appraisal of that particular comparable as of the effective date of the appraisal.

So who are the users of these reports that are so misdirected and (step back) "mislead"?
 
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