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Sam Rayburn Speech

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John,

I'm the one that needs to appologize, I was not clear. I did not view your response as negative diatribe and diatribe was not a good word anyway. I appreciated your considered response., but there always seems to be someone who is waiting to make negative comments about a posting on this forum., It definitely is not you. Thank you for your post.

I wish all who view here a very happy holiday, be it Passover or Easter.

Red
 
John,

I definitely agree that Standard 3 should be observed by State investigators. While attending a PA State Board meeting, an expert witness was asked by the opposing attorney if he wasn't subject to Standard 3 and he answered "no". The opposing attorney disagreed and one of the State's attorneys, sitting beside me, asked who was right. My response was that the opposing attorney was.

I do not see how anyone, especially a State Certified Appraiser, can legitimately state that in reviewing the quality of another appraiser's work, he/she is not subject to Standard 3. How can this be selectively applied? I am pleased to say that in PA, an expert witness must follow Standard 3. Unfortunately that is not true in many states.

I also agree strongly with your question about how someone without the requisite understanding of the appraisal process can effectively understand the USPAP, let alone enforce it.
Unfortunately, the strong lobbies have won out in PA and got a registration of AMC's eliminated from a newly passed
SB 206 (in the Senate only, so far) and an amendment to that bill has now "reloaded" (amended) the bill to make the professional members of the Board in the minority (5 to 4).

Perhaps, my concern over the ability of the power (money) lobbies to affect the appraisal profession is coloring my feelings about Sam REayburn's speech, but I still do respect the man.

Red

Red
 
JimBob said:
The real problem in our industry isn't education or enforement or how an ivestigation is conducted. Our problems are similar to what's going on in the accounting industry. To whit: We, as appraisers, are beholden to the lenders for work, they in turn are beholden to the Realtors, L/O etc, who are compensated directly on a commission basis. There is a huge disconnect going on here. I'm sure if you were to ask anyone involved in the "risk" side of the business if they wanted an unbiased estimate of value, their answer would be a resounding "Yes". The problem is they don't order the appraisal. This will only get worse until it comes to a head, then the crying and wailing and finger pointing will start all over again. I hope I'm out of this corrupt business when it happens.

Amen Brother,

I've said it before and I will say it again, this business is more crooked than horse racing.

BB in Texas
 
<<The Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice is probably the most poorly written and the most misunderstood document on the face of this earth. Once written, in simple and concise English, USPAP does not need to be changed any more than once every five years.. . . Appraisers cannot comprehend USPAP if it is continually amended, and by that I mean not only words being changed but the meaning of the words as well. For USPAP to be meaningful and understood by appraisers and users of appraisal services we must construct a meaningful document, and once adopted -- give it a rest. >>

AMEN!!! I have preached this in three forums for 5 years. Give that boy a medal!
 
It won't get any better. Just like the tax code-gets changed every year.

It's Parkinson's Law.

BB in Texas
 
The fly in the ointment of appraisal regulation and enforcement, in my opinion, is that real estate appraisal by its nature is both an art and a science. The art comes into play in highest and best use determination. If a number of appraisers inspect a tract of land, some see a tract of land, some see a residential development, some see a park, etc. Then the valuation is based on the highest and best use opinion, (highest and best use not being a fact to be found but an opinion of the appraiser), as the basis of the appraisal. How do you regulate appraisal vision and creativity? In my practice, if I wanted to perpetuate a fraud, it would be a piece of cake. If I appraise a 100-acre land tract, I can say due to high timber prices the H & B use is as timberland at $800 per acre. Or, I could say the highest and best use is a gentleman’s farm, or suitable for subdivision into acreage tracts, or any variety of uses. How do appraisers make these decisions? How can you look inside of my head and determine my motives or vision?
The list is endless: Who can say my expense projection is wrong? Who can say my income projection is wrong? Who can say my estimate of absorption is wrong? With interest and equity rates making 4% moves in a 6-month period, who can say my estimate of a cap rate is wrong? With new technology and statistical methods on line, who can say my methods are wrong?
You can’t pass regulations and punish people because they don’t like the same color, or see the same vision, or have the same worldview and vision of what the future holds. For these reasons, as well as many others, the enforcement of appraisals regulations is a minefield of legal dangers.
In my opinion, the only legal charge that an appraiser could legitimately be convicted of is proven fraud as evidenced by a price estimate that is grossly out of reason with a clearly set forth case of doing it to the detriment of some third party.
Any time I hear an appraiser say something like, the board will rule on whether or not an adjustment was justified or supported, I shutter. Why? Because in my experience the whole adjustment process is logically and mathematically wrong. Even the AI changed the sequence of adjustment in recent volumes of their book, “The Appraisal of Real Estate”, or so I have been told. The bottom line is that the subject of appraisal regulation is a minefield of horrors and a magnet for small minds with a “Witch Hunt” mentality, and the political appointment of appraisal board members is a filtering system for the selection of those with small minds and little scope of vision. To wit: Any American adult that would agree to a policy of suspending due process because due process is to expensive and time consuming for the appraisal boards is a small minded Witch Hunter. Unless the price estimate is proven to be out of bounds, where is the crime? This is constitutional law 101. You can't convict people for the methods they used in doing a crime that no one has demonstrated has been committed. In my mind, this whole question is insane.
 
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