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As a trainee you make 33% of a job correct? The guy I was talking to was making about 9k a month is he just a rare occasion?

Every supervisory appraiser is different. Some will pay a fee split per job, adn some will pay per hour. If you are motivated and a hard worker, you want a fee split. When I broke in back in 1997, I made 50% and made about $90,000 in my first year as a trainee.
 
Making a correction..... my doctor does make more than you.... o_O
 
I suspect you edited your current income to a more reasonable $28,000 a year. First of all, appraising is much different than it was 5 years ago, so many older appraisers feel like it is not worth getting into. There is some merit to that, because many of the changes have been negative. The rise in AMCs has helped to limit fees while driving up stipulations and time spent on each appraisal.

I was out of appraisal from 2010 to May of 2014 while recovering from an accident and at times I wasnt sure if it worth the effort to obtain my Certification. Nine months later, it was worth it. I will never make the money I used to make, but still make a good living, ranging from $6500 to $10,000 each month since September, averaging about $8000 per month. It took a few months to start getting work, so I didnt make much before September.

As a trainee, you will need to find a Supervising Appraiser to work with. Your state should have a directory of appraisers who can supervise trainees. Trainee pay varies wildly, so interview with several to find a good fit and decent pay. There are fewer and fewer appraisers willing to train newbies, so you need to sell yourself. The fact you already have a degree and can afford to start taking appraisal classes right away are plusses. Even as a trainee, I suspect you will easily be able to make more than $28,000 a year. It is an investment in effort and time, so make sure you are well suited for the profession. Perhaps find an appraiser near you that you can spend a week with, just to experience everything they go through.

If you are lucky enough to find a quality supervising appraiser, you will get an opportunity to do lots of different kinds of work, and see how different types of apprasials are performed with different assignment conditions. While lending is the driving force behind appraisal, there are lots of other opportunities if you know where to look. I would also look beyond just residential and work towards getting your Cert. General, that is my current goal for myself.

Good luck to you. Feel free to ask questions. These boards are a good source of info. The job isnt easy, but nothing worthwhile is. If you work hard, don't undervalue yourself, and seek to constantly improve, you will find that appraisal is still a good profession.

Eric


Thanks for the feed back I'll definitely look into shadowing an appraiser for a while to see if it's really for me.

And that seems amazing for a trainee!!

is there anywhere I can look up appraisers near me that might let me shadow them?
 
90K before expenses can quickly become much lower once those are factored in. Much will depend upon your location, I would talk to a number of local appraisers about income expectations, the number of hours worked, and the availability of business to get a realistic view for your specific chances before jumping into it.
 
90K before expenses can quickly become much lower once those are factored in. Much will depend upon your location, I would talk to a number of local appraisers about income expectations, the number of hours worked, and the availability of business to get a realistic view for your specific chances before jumping into it.

Pam is right, you will have expenses. My expenses (not including gas and vehicle) are about 5%. E&O, MLS subscription, secondary subscriptions, Marshall & Swift, equipment, it all adds up. I drive about 25k-35k miles per year for business (I live in Phoenix metro area). My 2001 Tacoma doesnt get great mileage, but its been paid off for a decade and runs great after 350,000 miles, so its a great appraisal truck. Your mentor will cover some costs, so it won't be bad at first, but you definitely need to consider the costs. That being said, after I deduct my business expenses and mileage, my taxes arent that bad and it works for me. IMHO, better than making 28k a year and 'avoiding' business costs.
 
90K before expenses can quickly become much lower once those are factored in. Much will depend upon your location, I would talk to a number of local appraisers about income expectations, the number of hours worked, and the availability of business to get a realistic view for your specific chances before jumping into it.

What type of expenses do you mean? Yea I want to do that I talked to one that seems to have a great schedule and is making good money but I want to get more feedback

If anyone here is from socal let me know so we can have a chat
 
What type of expenses do you mean? Yea I want to do that I talked to one that seems to have a great schedule and is making good money but I want to get more feedback

If anyone here is from socal let me know so we can have a chat

Expenses include:
- Errors & Ommissions Insurance - prices range depending on amount of coverage, type of work, and volume. Expect to spend $600 to $1000 a year.
- Personal Liabilty insurance - not required, but good to have as a CYA. I have never used mine and I have a low cost policy ($75 per year), but I have an appraiser friend who accidentally broke a rare vase will inspecting a home. The insurance picked up the $5000 replacement cost.
- MLS Subscription - different MLS' have different costs. Mine (Arizona Regional MLS) is $270 per year. However, when you first set it up, there can be high office setup costs (close to $1000).
- Marshall & Swift Residential Costs Handbook - The hardcopy book and CD cost $330 per year (includes quarterly updates). They also have a program that gives a more detailed estimate for $1000 per year. There are free options (like www.building-cost.net) but M&S is the gold standard. Start out with a free option and then upgrade when you have the money.
- Additional Subscriptions - There are numerous data sources that may be worth subscribing to. The counties I work with have good online data, so I dont use any additional subscriptions. There are also data collection and form filling programs like DataMaster. I have considered DataMaster, but currently don't use. Data Master costs like $90 month.
- Internet - You absolutely need a stable high speed internet conection. Costs vary based on location and speed.
- Equipment - At a minimum, you need a quality computer, a measuring tape, and a clipboard with paper and pens. I am paperless, which means I save money on ink and paper (a considerable cost if you are a high volume office - we used to spend $300 bucks a month on just Laser printer toner) but had higher startup costs. I have a high-end home built computer with 4 28' monitors (which is extreme - I like a lot of screen space), use a Disto laser measurer, and just started using a phablet on my inspections. Minimally, it will cost $1000 to buy a decent computer, digital camera, a 100' tape, and paper/pen/supplies. Paper and ink costs will vary based on volume.
- Licensing/Professional Organizations - Every two years you will need to take continuing education classes and renew your license. Figure $500 (or more, depending on education costs) every two years. Professional designations, ie Appraisal Institute, NAIFA, ASA, ERC, can have annual dues. I wouldnt worry about these organizations until you are established and making money. I am a candidate for designation with the Appraisal Institute.
- Software costs - varies depending on program. I uses Total and have some additional plugins for specific clients. I also use MS office, I set up different models on Excel and use Word for correspondence.

Are there additional costs. Sure, like gas for all the running. I know appraisers that cover the entire state of Arizona and some that work in a very tight geographic area (Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa, and Queen Creek - Southeast area of Phoenix metro area) and their gas costs are very different. Generally, if you work a more rural area, you will have high gas costs, but you can also charge more for each appraisal due to lack of competition. But these are the major expenses that you will incur. Not including start up costs, like my computer and monitors or my Disto, which I have had for a while, my annual expenses are about $3500-$4000. I also keep a cash reserve to make sure I can cover any emergency (ie, monitor dies, need to replace my disto, etc..)

Okay...that being said, you won't have most of these costs as a trainee. If you work for an established office, you mentor will set you up with a computer and software, subscriptions and M&S, internet, and basic supplies. You will probably need to pay E&O (usually under a company policy, so it will be cheaper for you. My boss took $50 a month out of my check), your education and inital licensing costs, a good tape or laser measurer, and a digital camera. Some mentor may try to reduce their costs by charging you a monthly "office" fee. I have a friend who is a trainee in Florida and his mentor charges $250 a month to help cover his costs. This also includes his E&O, but I still think that sounds high!!

Find an appraiser you can shadow for a week. Go on inspections with him, watch him work in the office, writing appraisals, talking to clients. Like every job, there are frustrating moments and good moments. Even the quality assurance guy who tastes Ben and Jerry's ice cream everyday has bad days. Do I scream the 'F' word as loud as I can once or twice a week? YES. Clients can ask some stupid questions and want unrealistic things. But then you get a nice letter from a client that can make your day or week. I have several thank you letters from clients, thanking me for saving them money or for rushing a difficult appraisal (for a cost of course!!).

Do your due diligence, make sure it works for you. I have met some cool people, including sports stars and local celebs, and looked at beautiful homes. I like the fact that I spend half of my day outside and half indoors. I set my office up exactly the way I want so that it makes it easy to spend time and write up appraisals. Its not for everyone. You need to be detail oriented, you need to be flexible with the constant change in standards, equipment/tech, and clients needs/requirements.

If you have any other questions, please ask.
 
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What part of SoCal are you from? LA? SD? OC?
 
You have a degree, have the desire to do better than where you are. Some points to consider, you will need to set up an Inc and start running a business. Get Quickbooks to manage all of your tax paperwork, it's worth the expense to get it done right. Get your sales licences too. While you are studying, you will learn 99% of what's on the license exam and you can use it to make a couple or few sales a year that you will trip across. In addition, there are small brokers, like myself, who hold a few licenses to split MLS fees as well as E&O, network and find a good fit for you. My E&O covers everything in real estate including building, as long as it's not my own property for flipping. Use social media to network and market your services. 99% of my business comes from referrals of people whom I've met, and many are in my personal facebook page. Last tip, there are a lot in this forum and on some facebook pages who are not actively in business or are close to leaving, they will tell you seven times to Sunday how you can't be successful in the real estate business. Forget them and move on.
 
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