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Should I have an issue with my appraisal?

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In an area that has no typical buyers, where anyone moving into the area has to have that special pass to acquire land to move there, you are looking for market value.

You are translating market value into "an appraisal that's at least the cost of construction but hopefully more because you already owned the land".

Suddenly it's okay to shop appraisers and extend neighborhoods to "find the value that fits the costs".

You're lucky I was not the appraiser.

If no one has sold any land on the open market with adequate market exposure in an arm's length transaction, in the past 3 years and every land purchase was by a relative or former neighbor, you are building a home in a closed society that has restricted the market to members of the approved club.

Your bank should not even bother. They can hold the loan in house and go with a cost approach only. Of course they would have to have the land value interpolated from some other neighborhoods. Yes they can do that. I'm sure they did not tell you that. Because they want a GSE compliant appraisal so they can sell your loan to the secondary market.

Extending the neighborhood into a different county with different taxes, different politics different school districts, is risky business for residential appraisers.

But hey, you need that loan to finish your dream house.

We get it.



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Wow, you ned a nap, I was not being a D about this at all, just looking for some advice and opinions. They are simple questions that I am asking because I am not an appriaser and came here to ask the advice of appraisers. I dont know the rules or reasons for the decisions made in the appraisals, that is why I asked the questions!

No reason to be a prick to someone looking for answers!
 
Thanks Michigan CG, the no access thing could be the issue. The bank even questioned why the appraiser only went west and south west to find comps, we are stuffed into the N.E. corner of the county which is why we are close to the conveniences of city life while living in a rural farm community. My township covers a lot of acreage but only has approximately 1000-1500 people.
 
Maybe your contractor is charging too much. I see lots of new construction deals that "don't appraise" because the contractor is charging $150/SF when other contractors would charge $125/SF.

It's mostly the market. You have to pay a premium to build what you want. I currently have a contract on a house that I am purchasing. It would cost me $135/SF to build this house, not including the cost to buy the lot. My purchase price, including the lot is $94/SF. Why would I build?
 
If I never hear the word "upgrades" used again, it will be too soon. Everything from over-priced trinkets to exotica that no one in their right mind would want, is touted as contributing dollar for dollar and everyone I dare say is shocked, horribly shocked that appraisers cannot appraise individual items within a house and must depend upon the reversion to mean (i.e.- some have less some have more) to estimate value. Even if your place appraises using your cost basis (reproduction cost, not replacement cost), the chances are those upgrades will evaporate in the market over time...
 
Thanks for everyone's responses but I think we are actually on a path to a resolution with this. There was some info missed in the appraisal that was not given credit during the process and it is being reevaluated. The house was originally evaluated and graded as builder grade against the comps so even the cost approach was way off. Also, he mistakenly (and admitted to it) did not take into account that we are right on the edge of the county border and they should have been considered for comps. Should have new answer today and hopefully it will be better.
 
Thanks for everyone's responses but I think we are actually on a path to a resolution with this. There was some info missed in the appraisal that was not given credit during the process and it is being reevaluated. The house was originally evaluated and graded as builder grade against the comps so even the cost approach was way off. Also, he mistakenly (and admitted to it) did not take into account that we are right on the edge of the county border and they should have been considered for comps. Should have new answer today and hopefully it will be better.

Our world is a mystery to at least 30% to 90% of the appraisers that work in it. The root of the problem is very long ago the federal system concerned itself with borrowers somehow getting or having the power to manipulate real estate appraisers. So they focused on that and then left all lenders and mortgage originators with insane power over all real estate appraisers. When that didn't work out, a political dance over it next used a lot of smoke to make it look like something was done, only nothing was done other than destroy the businesses of mortgage brokers.

So all power was then with the lending institutions... Your friendly banks that caused the real estate crash. If appraisal reports were not "fine tuned" by the appraisers to fly past all the insane "rules" and "guidelines," without causing any red flags,..... the appraisers that failed to do such fine tuning, on anything other than a rare case, were all pretty much black listed off of the lending appraiser approval lists one way or the other. Even if they were "left on" the lists... but just never sent any appraisal orders.

Today, nothing has changed. The end result is a vast pool of real estate appraisers that seriously think that "fine tuning" their appraisal reports to fly through underwriting standards without raising any red flags is what is the sign of good real estate practices and quality appraising. They also know exactly what answers or things to "check" on the Fannie appraisal forms so they, as appraisers, can do the absolute smallest amount of work possible. There is no concern about credible values or industry ethics left for these appraisers. There is only concern for speed, profits, and how to work the system. This results in rushed and poorly researched appraisal reports.

The old timers here recognize this as "The Fraud of Licensing." The public thinks that when they get a report signed by a licensed or certified appraiser they have received something that is "THE" determination on their property. Many lending staff have the same thinking as well. lWhen in realty, in a very high percentage of the cases, all the public has is a great example of how the system has become gamed to make things look good without regard to what it might have taken to arrive at a credible value opinion on their real estate.

The entire problem is the guards of the hen house are all employed by the wolves, jackals, foxes, hyenas, and snakes. The farmer doesn't want responsibility and for some really mysterious reason claims it is the hens that can't be trusted. So the farmer always does whatever the weasels, the representatives for the predators, tells the farmer to do. The predators have other representatives, leeches, that work directly with the guards.

Keep all that in mind the next time you get charged $zzz by a predator's representative for a guard that gets paid half or less than that to guard your hen house for a predator.
 
If you are that close on your loan maybe you shouldn't be building a custom $300K house...Just my opinion.

From my experience...people building in this market are not the brightest bulbs in the bunch. Building cost are still outrageous compared to what you can buy an existing home for.

I think I am going to start declining specs and plans appraisals because of unreasonable borrowers that think it should come it at exactly what they have in it. Too much headache.

Any I missed the complaint...was your appraiser too fast or too slow? OP, please make up your mind.
 
If you are that close on your loan maybe you shouldn't be building a custom $300K house...Just my opinion.

From my experience...people building in this market are not the brightest bulbs in the bunch. Building cost are still outrageous compared to what you can buy an existing home for.

I think I am going to start declining specs and plans appraisals because of unreasonable borrowers that think it should come it at exactly what they have in it. Too much headache.

Any I missed the complaint...was your appraiser too fast or too slow? OP, please make up your mind.

Good forum member or not, you made the ever famous "assumption" post, assuming that you know MY situation and not thinking your answer through before posting.

You are ASSuming that 1. I cant afford it 2. That it is a smarter money decision to take money out of investments making a minimum of 6-8% interest in order to pay down a loan at 4% interest. Last time I checked I am still coming out ahead by not pulling cash out, especially if it was a NO PMI loan, and 3. I should go buy a house away from my family and take my 2 year old away from her 7 first cousins (2 the same age) and her grandparents by moving off the family's 80 acre "compound". You are right, I would love to deprive her the chance to grow up in immediate proximity to family, good call!

So, next time, before stepping onto your soapbox, think it through and know what you are talking about!
 
Good forum member or not, you made the ever famous "assumption" post, assuming that you know MY situation and not thinking your answer through before posting.

You are ASSuming that 1. I cant afford it 2. That it is a smarter money decision to take money out of investments making a minimum of 6-8% interest in order to pay down a loan at 4% interest. Last time I checked I am still coming out ahead by not pulling cash out, especially if it was a NO PMI loan, and 3. I should go buy a house away from my family and take my 2 year old away from her 7 first cousins (2 the same age) and her grandparents by moving off the family's 80 acre "compound". You are right, I would love to deprive her the chance to grow up in immediate proximity to family, good call!

So, next time, before stepping onto your soapbox, think it through and know what you are talking about!

Whoa!
You came to their sandbox asking for help, so stop kicking sand and throwing a tantrum. Is it your nap time?
They don't know your personal situation, so they have to speak in generalities, based on the information you have given. And when you were asked for a specific, which county you were in, you didn't give it. They've seen more strange stuff in the real estate world than you can ever imagine, and that is their frame of reference.
Proximity to your family is not a valuable asset to the rest of the world, just you. That does not compute into an appraisal. It may be your reason for building, but you sure didn't present that valid reason in the best manner.
Best wishes on your new appraisal. Just try to be understanding of the legal limitations of the appraiser.
 
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