Some interesting ASC licensing stats for 2025

[glenn walker]

Pretty sure I read the CA numbers are the lowest since

As i recall initial licensing in California in 1992..1993 exceeded 20,000 and by 2010 were in the 30,000 plus..if todays are only 6,700 that's mind blowing because we have a population upwards of 38 million and the Los Angeles County is near 10 million and most appraisers are slow and many just do a few a month. I have no idea how our State Board stays open.

 

[George Hatch]

Pretty sure I read the CA numbers are the lowest since licensing started.

We started off with ~12,000 in 1992

Here's the real number as of 8 months ago per their newsletter



And as of 06/2023

 

[George Hatch]

As of today on the state's online registry:
CG - 2552
CR - 4252
SL - 723
Trainee - 376 (that number being the lowest I've ever seen)

 

[Non Sequitur]

We started off with ~12,000 in 1992

Here's the real number as of 7 months ago per their newsletter

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And as of 06/2023
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Holy cow what a blood bath. The numbers are higher than what's reported in the ASC but still ~30% lower than 1992.

 

[glenn walker]

Holy cow what a blood bath. The numbers are higher than what's reported in the ASC but still ~30% lower than 1992.

George can check but i recall some crazy numbers in 2020 of pushing 38,000. The initial 1992 numbers as i tecall doubled in just 3 years to about 20,000. Then steady until about year 2000 and then up from there. Forget 30% i think when i get the peak numbers from say 2020 we may he down 70% to 70%....

 

[George Hatch]

Technology has reduced the demand at the lenders for appraiser hours.

In 2000

CG - 3931​

CR - 4492​

SL - 1950​

Total fully licensed - 10373​

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+Trainee - 1283​

In 2007

CG - 3383​

CR - 4874​

SL - 5687​

Total fully licensed - 13944​

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+Trainee - 6324​

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Total totals of fully licensed exclude the trainees because many of those individuals never did participate in the market for services. But when including trainees the totals went from 10835 in 2001 to 20268 in 2007.​

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The other thing that's deceptive is that the number of CGs was pretty consistent during that runup so that somewhat masks what happened on the SFR side​

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In 2001 the number of CGs dropped to 3489 (I guess some of the initial licenses and multi-state licenses didn't renew)​

In 2008 after the rush to upgrade to CG prior to the 2008 increase in qualifications, the number of CGs bumped slightly to 3564. Then that number has declined ever since. The CGs added a total of 75 more heads during that 7 years​

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In 2001 the number of CR+SLs (fully licensed for the 1-4 properties) was 5995. That number nearly doubled by 2008 to 11271. THAT'S where the SFR appraisers got crushed via oversuppy.​

 

[Non Sequitur]

Sobering.

 

[Zoe]

We started off with ~12,000 in 1992

Here's the real number as of 8 months ago per their newsletter

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And as of 06/2023
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Wow. Does waivers come into play?

Question. If you go inactive and keep your license, are you still considered licensed?

 

[gregb]

Technology has reduced the demand at the lenders for appraiser hours.

In 2000

CG - 3931​

CR - 4492​

SL - 1950​

Total fully licensed - 10373​

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+Trainee - 1283​

In 2007

CG - 3383​

CR - 4874​

SL - 5687​

Total fully licensed - 13944​

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+Trainee - 6324​

More than technology. Those with an agenda ignore the pernicious influence of AMC’s in the formerly viable fee appraisal business.

 

[Zoe]

OP, can you narrow it to staff or independent fee appraiser?

I know that is asking too much. But would love to see the numbers based on categories you mentioned.