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Timid,

http://oregonaclb.org/media/Spring2008Newsletter.pdf

Go to page ten and read paragraphs two and five. While the article is obviously discussing the 1004, I am very sure we can apply the same statements to the 2055. Then find for me something from Fannie that says an appraiser is not contravening the SOW on the 2055 when that appraiser adds EA's not preprinted on the 2055 via an addendum. Versus adds some by using CB4 that requires an inspection. I guess we all could use CB4 and require we inspect the subject in order to confirm our own EA's. A bit self-defeating to the exterior only assignment however I would say.

My board may have been trying to make a strong point when they placed "not permitted" in bold font at the end of paragraph two.

Webbed.
 
Timid,

http://oregonaclb.org/media/Spring2008Newsletter.pdf

Go to page ten and read paragraphs two and five. While the article is obviously discussing the 1004, I am very sure we can apply the same statements to the 2055. Then find for me something from Fannie that says an appraiser is not contravening the SOW on the 2055 when that appraiser adds EA's not preprinted on the 2055 via an addendum. Versus adds some by using CB4 that requires an inspection. I guess we all could use CB4 and require we inspect the subject in order to confirm our own EA's. A bit self-defeating to the exterior only assignment however I would say.

My board may have been trying to make a strong point when they placed "not permitted" in bold font at the end of paragraph two.

Webbed.
Webbed Footed One, As you are aware, this opinion goes to the use of the Fannie Mae forms for non-lending purposes, although some of the statements in the opinion apply to any use of the Fannie Mae forms. Regarding my points, I agree that the SOW cannot be limited or changed from that of the preprinted SOW (though it can certainly be expanded). However, nowhere on the form or in Fannie guidelines can I find any prohibition from the appraiser further explaining exactly what he and did not do under the SOW in the development and reporting of the appraisal. In fact, I believe that such an explanation is required under the USPAP Scope of Work rule:

For each appraisal, appraisal review, and appraisal consulting assignment, an appraiser must:
1...
2...
3. dosclose the scope of work in the report.

Regarding, the issue of using an extraordinary assumption in a Fannie Mae 2055 exterior only, the Fannie Mae form itself in the preprinted certifications part of the form bars addtional "assumptions", but not additional "extraordinary assumptions". These two terms have separate definitions in the USPAP definitions section and these 2 terms are listed separately under USPAP Standards Rule 2-1(c). Additionally, the Fannie Form itself provides a check box for the use of an extraordinary assumption right on the form....if you contend that the term "extraordinary assumption" is included in the meaning of the term "assumption" as used in the preprinted Fannie Mae certification pages, then checking this box and making the appraisal report subject to inspection...based upon an "extraordinary assumption" would be a violation of the Fannie preprinted certifications.....surely that cannot be the case and this demonstrates clearly that the preprinted language in the Fannie Mae form on this issue clearly does not contemplate barring the use of EA's....

Finally, I am sure that you agree that the only way to do a credible EA appraisal, without the appraiser actually measuring the subject property and comparable sales themselves, is for the appraiser to use an EA that the GLA figures that he uses in the report is substantially correct. (Obviosuly the appraiser must have a reasonable basis to believe that the source used for the GLA figures is accurate)

Since many if not most states incorporate USPAP into state law and Federal Banking regulations require that appraisals done for federally related mortgage transactions conform to USPAP, the Fannie preprinted language that states:
However, additional certifications that do not constitute material alterations to this appraisal report, such as those required by law.....are permitted.
would seem to allow the appraiser to disclose any EA's used in the appraisal.

Thus, I do not see anyway for the Oregon board or any other board to hang the appraiser over this issue unless the board is prepared to say that it is impossible to complete a USPAP compliant Exterior Only Appraisal on the current Fannie Mae Form 2055 unless the appraiser actually measures the subject property himself......boards can do whatever they chose, but I am pretty willing to take the risk that the boards rule over my practice are not going to do that.
 
What about pre-foreclosure situations, where the client orders a drive-by and does not want the HO alerted to that fact that an appraisal is being done???

I do not see why one can not measure the subject from the exterior on a drive-by assignment unless the client does not want the HO involved. When receiving an exterior only assignment my first question of the client is always whether the HO can be involved or not. Then the SOW gets determined from there. Per the OP, I do not understand why exterior measurements were not made from the get go, it was a sale, all one had to do was contact the seller or listing agent to alert them that you would be working on the appraisal, if concerns about trespassing were present, who would not grant permission???
 
"the seller or listing agent to alert them that you would be working on the appraisal, if concerns about trespassing were present, who would not grant permission???"

the seller, the listing agent and the lender who structured the List Price and Contract Prices based on including either a 500sf Finished Basement AREA in the GLA or an ILLEGAL garage conversion or Extension which accounts for the GLA VARIANCE noted above and List Price/Contract Price.
 
Timid,


Ok, we can start with my post # 27 here...


http://appraisersforum.com/showthread.php?t=138889&highlight=Fannie+2055&page=3


to work on this what is an assumption versus what is a extraordinary assumption. I agree with you they are different. That doesn't alter the fact the 03/2005 forms prohibit modification of the SOW.. You are sticking your neck out with a "you never said I couldn't" arguement.


Then check out posts 11, 14, 15, 18, 19, 27 over here


http://appraisersforum.com/showthread.php?t=109625&highlight=Fannie+2055


I can find a great many more right after the new forms hit. Funny how soon people forget.


Webbed.
 
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<..... snip.....> Additionally, the Fannie Form itself provides a check box for the use of an extraordinary assumption right on the form....if you contend that the term "extraordinary assumption" is included in the meaning of the term "assumption" as used in the preprinted Fannie Mae certification pages, then checking this box and making the appraisal report subject to inspection...based upon an "extraordinary assumption" would be a violation of the Fannie preprinted certifications.....<......snip......>

That was a really big leap my friend. CB4 requires the EA to be cleared as either true or false. Sticking an EA in an addendum with no requirement it ever be cleared one way or the other is something entirely different. I say it is the later Fannie will not allow any longer. This was the entire point of the prohibition of modification of the SOW. Fannie no longer wanted HC's and EA's tossed into appraisals involving their loans willey nilley like was happening prior to the new forms.

Since many if not most states incorporate USPAP into state law and Federal Banking regulations require that appraisals done for federally related mortgage transactions conform to USPAP, the Fannie preprinted language that states:
However, additional certifications that do not constitute material alterations to this appraisal report, such as those required by law.....are permitted.
would seem to allow the appraiser to disclose any EA's used in the appraisal.

You left out the examples of those allowed additional certifications and also left out the fact the forms say they cannot materally alter the preprinted SOW. EA's that would be never proven either true or false would materially alter that SOW when Fannie wants them proven. That is why bringing in any EA was moved to CB4.

Thus, I do not see anyway for the Oregon board or any other board to hang the appraiser over this issue unless the board is prepared to say that it is impossible to complete a USPAP compliant Exterior Only Appraisal on the current Fannie Mae Form 2055 unless the appraiser actually measures the subject property himself......boards can do whatever they chose, but I am pretty willing to take the risk that the boards rule over my practice are not going to do that.

Ok, I appreciate that. It doesn't alter the fact that prior to the 03/2005 forms I would NEVER complete a 09/96 version 2055 with an exterior only SOW without using an included EA that whatever source I used for the GLA estimate was correct. In fact, my EA page for such assignments WAS an entire page! .... But each to their own I guess... ;)

Webbed.
 
Webbed, where does Fannie Mae bar the appraiser from employing a EA in an exterior appraisal? Additionally, Fannie Mae does not prohibit the appraiser from making further statements explaining the SOW, though the appraiser cannot alter the SOW.....in any case here is a typical statement from one of the exterior only appraisals I did last year (I have not done any in over a year and never did many): I never had a lender/underwriter object to the inclusion of the following language in my report:

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING The Scope of Work and Extraordinary Assumptions used in this Appraisal Report:
The appraiser has been requested to perform an appraisal based on an exterior only inspection from the street. The physical characteristics, including the above grade gross living area, used to develop this appraisal are based on the public records of Carroll County, MD and a recent listing of the subject property. On the basis of the observed conditions from the street, the information contained in the public records and listing appears to be correct. Thus, the appraiser has used the following Extraordinary Assumption in the development and reporting of the appraiser's opinion of value: the Appraiser has assumed that the information contained in the above-mentioned public records and recent listing of the subject property regarding the physical characteristics of the subject property is correct. If this assumption turns out to be incorrect, then the appraiser's opinion of value is subject to change.**


I actually think that an exterior only appraisal done with the proper disclosures and use of appropriate EA's has less risk of liability than a full interior/exterior appraisal.


Excellent addenda.
 
TOk, I appreciate that. It doesn't alter the fact that prior to the 03/2005 forms I would NEVER complete a 09/96 version 2055 with an exterior only SOW without using an included EA that whatever source I used for the GLA estimate was correct.

Fannie's position on this was explained to me as follows:

The data sources used are assumed to be correct in every assignment. So, if one cites a source for the GLA, and then cites an assumption that the GLA is corrrect, there is no EA - merely an ordinary one.

On the other hand, if one has no GLA source and just assumes a GLA (as Lobo was asked to do), that would be an EA, and would not be allowable for a Fannie Mae assignment on the new form.
 
Fannie's position on this was explained to me as follows:

The data sources used are assumed to be correct in every assignment. So, if one cites a source for the GLA, and then cites an assumption that the GLA is corrrect, there is no EA - merely an ordinary one.

On the other hand, if one has no GLA source and just assumes a GLA (as Lobo was asked to do), that would be an EA, and would not be allowable for a Fannie Mae assignment on the new form.

Mr. Wiley,

Ok that is interesting. So what was Fannie's position when multiple data sources on the same subject property all have something different and don't agree with each other?

What happens then?

Webbed.
 
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So what was Fannie's position when multiple data sources on the same subject property all have something different and don't agree with each other?

I suppose it would the same position they have when an appraiser has that dilemma with a comp :shrug:
 
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