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Austin....what you do is what I do without the benefit of a computer. It comes from years and years of experience in the market to develop the adjustments. I have nothing against appraisers who use regression analysis, it's just hard to teach old dogs new tricks.

Mike,

The human brain is an awesome computer. The "new tricks" you allude to are just verifications of the human brain's computation power. Austin is graphing out that computation in order to prove to non-believers that appraisers really are professionals. I have used regression analysis in the past in another occupation and found that it's main use was to convince others of the authenticity of my conclusions.......(Just my opinion)
 
Dr. Blue1

"the human brain is an awesome computer" / " I have used regression analysis in the past in another occupation and found it's main use was to convince others of the authenticity of my conclussions".... (just my opinion)

don't know what your really saying here (american language barrier), perhaps some of the people believed you some of the time 8O or none of the people believed you at anytime :roll: or all of the people believed you all of the time :D

years of experience may lead one to conclusions, that possibly have limited ability to be proven, non arguably - isn't that possible :?:
Answer: yes - people that review yer work are questioning yer solutions
to create doubt in yer own mind, they always appear to not understand your solutions (mathmatical or otherwise) wether correct or not.

Mike G - only distance separates theory :wink:

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Frederick: We are in another circular reference discussion here. I gave you pretty good instructions the last time we had this discussion on how to program your own model, which requires knowing how to program and set up an Excel spreadsheet. My model is done using the same Excel spreadsheet but I can’t lock the formulas. This happens to me about once a day; I enter something on a box that has a formula in it and out goes the formula, which means I have to re-enter the formula but I have enough experience to know when something doesn’t look correct. If I sent somebody else a copy and they make one booboo they will not know it and the entire algorithm will be screwed up. Then there is the question of knowing some simple but basic statistics and some new appraisal theory. This stuff is not complicated but it requires graphics to illustrate it.
In summary, you need to understand the underlying appraisal theory which requires a simple understanding of trend lines and least sum of the squares regression, you need to know the formulas so you can re-enter them and be able to spot when something goes wrong. If anybody knows enough to do the above, then I have given you in this post all you need to know except the theory to make your own. If the formula cells could be locked so they can’t be inadvertently erased we could test it out on some people. I use to have a spreadsheet program that you could do that. The proper forum for learning this would be in a classroom but I am not inclined to get into the CE business, write a book, or sell software, because I don’t want to and there is not enough market for it anyway. I love being a small time country appraiser that stays at home and plays with the grand boy. I don't have anything to sell, I have shared my experience for free, and I don't feel that I owe anybody anything. It works for me and that is good enough for me.
There is interesting story about showing my model: This is the only person I have ever shown it to, mainly because nobody locally has any interest in seeing it. A few years ago I was doing a commercial site valuation in NC, just a few miles from VA., and I was working with an appraiser that lived in that NC county. He had a degree in real estate and he had worked for an MAI for about 5 years. He came by my office to drop off some sale information and I gave him a demo of how to appraise SFR using regression analysis. When he left my office he seemed to be in a state of shock. He said: “You have really shown me something today.” For the next six months I didn’t see or hear from this guy. Then one day another appraiser came by my office and I asked him what happen to Thomas because I hadn’t seen him for a while.” He smiled and said: “He told me he saw your regression model, said to himself there is no way I can compete with that, gave up appraising, and is now selling AFLACK Insurance.”

Blue 1: You are absolutely correct about using regression to prove what you are doing. Believe it or not, I have not used my regression algorithm in about a year for the simple reason that I don’t need to use it any more. I used it for about 5 years experimenting and now I know which factors influence price and which ones don’t so I can use a much simpler model that resembles the existing marketing grid. That is another reason I am reluctant to give somebody a copy without instruction because you have to know which factors are most important and in which sequence to adjust and if you have not experimented with regression you probably don’t have a feel for it. You have to know when to stop adjusting too. In my view the future of this method is in appraisal reviewing which is an even more limited market. It will have to evolve into existence for reasons Mike gave above: “Old dogs are reluctant to learn new tricks.”
 
Austin: Have you been in contact with Jim Sanders in Tucson? He gets into some very similar lively discussions over on the AI forum.
 
Jo Ann: I haven't figured out how to get into the AI forum. I kept registering and they would send me the secret decoder ring but I never could get into the forum. Any instructions? The AI Webb site is hard to use. I was looking for an article some one posted here about what USPAP allows but I couldn't find it again.
 
Austin

in yer own unique way you've answered the "mega question" - you win the Bonus round of this discussion.

"I enter something on a box that has a formula in it and out goes the formula, which means I have to re-enter the formula, 8O BUT I have enough experience to know when something doesn't look correct". :wink:

must be as Blue1 noted - The Brain is an awesome computer; further supported by Mikeeeee G's understanding & statement :D

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Built to HUD code after 6/15/1976=manufactured home!!!

Once a manufactured home or mobile home is original built prior to 6/15/1976--always a manufactured home or mobile home.

In our state one built in 2002 is still a manufactured home, even it has a concrete block continuous perimeter permanent foundation; even if the title has been surrendered and it is considered real estate.
 
Jtrotta: You are correct about the human brain up to a point. The brain is an instrument through which the soul or mind relates to the physical world, meaning the mind is like a CD, it contains all of the information but it has to have an instrument to release the information it contains. Brains store knowledge and perform calculations but the mind is the seat of wisdom.
Back in my college days when I was first introduced to regression analysis we use to do them on a matrix. If we had a column of 4 sales with two variables it took about 16 calculations to solve the simplest matrix per run and it took a number of runs to find the least sum of the squares and that was only an approximation. If we had 10 sales with three independent variables it would take about 1,000 individual calculations for one run. The class, this was 34 years ago, came up with an interesting problem and we asked the professor if we could use the University’s computer system to run the regression. He said no because our University’s computer system, which it took a warehouse to house, to solve this simple problem it would tie the system up for two weeks. He said one day in the distant future when computer science was far more advanced we could solve problems like that but as of that moment in time it was unthinkable. I waited for 30-years and when memory got up to 16 megs with speeds of 33 mhz it became possible to solve this problem in just a few seconds. I look at computers as an auxiliary extension of my brain. I could live without it just like I could dig a basement with a spoon, but I had rather do it with a tractor shovel. It is the human mind that can’t be duplicated or improved upon, but the brain suffers from a great deal of progressive functional obsolescence. My brain is getting more obsolete all of the time and needs all of the auxiliary help it can get. My wife just came home and asked me if I had eaten lunch. It took me a minute to remember. I am still not sure because I am not hungry so I must have eaten something. Fortunately my belly has a built in clock that keeps me regular. My mind wants my body to stay healthy so it can use my brain to unload its vast store of wisdom and make the world a better place in which to dwell. What I can’t figure is how the mind comes up with all of this information. There is a school of thought which I subscribe to that says that we are born knowing everything there is to know and that learning is the process of remembering what our subconscious mind already knew when we got here. I think that is why we only live about 70 years, so we won’t remember too much.
 
Charlotte: Yes, nationwide, if originally constructed to HUD building code--it wil be a manufactured home forever and ever, no matter how much on site construction, renovation, remodeling, adding to, deleting from, type of installation, etc, etc, etc. So if the original building code is HUD--then it is a manufactured home.
 
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