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Square Footage Valuation and other questions on low appraisal

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Similarly, it doesn't seem like appropriate adjustments were made for square footage in the basement. In our area it is common to have full walkout basements finished to a comparable quality as the above grade portions.

Honestly? Except for full walk-out basements I have found neighborhoods where, if the property is under 20yrs old, having a finished basement or not added *NO* value whatsoever (aka, those without finished basements did not sell for less than those with finished basements as the houses were new enough new owners wanted to finish them to their own standards or just use for storage.

Finally, the appraiser appears to have made a mistake on age adjustments. Our house and three of the comps are new build, so there are no age adjustments. One of the comps is five years older, so our house was adjusted to be $2,500 LESS valuable due to this age (negative sign), while another was six years older so our house was adjusted to be $3,000 MORE valuable due to this age.

Indicate it as a factual error as I mentioned in prior post.
 
Thank you for all your feedback ... some answers and some scant updates I've gotten ...
1. the "$190" comparable had an adjusted value at the bottom of the Grid of _________?
$193.5k after a couple of adjustments. I talked to my mortgage broker last night and she tells me the two active comps in the appraisal were not used in the calculation of the sales comparison approach value of our house, but rather are included to support that the neighborhood we're in supports houses of the value we're buying. Don't the closed comps do that? She said the $190k was just a 'typo' and had no impact on the calculation of the value of our house because of that. Supposedly she's going to try and get a supervisor from the appraisal organization to call me. In all honesty, I feel for appraisers, I read a post online about an appraiser commenting on how many hours it would take to do an appraisal correctly, and quite honestly it seems like it should cost more than the $400 or so I paid. That being said, I still expect a professional and accurate report and I just don't think I received that.
2. if the "$190" comp was used as an "adjusted value" benchmarket i.e. the remaining comparable sale or list prices were adjusted DOWNWARD toward the $190 range - THAT itself would exhibit a MAJOR problem.
After adjustments the other four ranged from $419k to $590k. The $190k was an obvious error that should never had made it past a basic quality control check.
If the "190" comp's Net Adjusted Sale Value was in close proximity to the range of the other comparable adjusted values - this would indicate a typographical error at the top of the Grid for that Comparable.
And ultimately this is what they are claiming that it is a typo, which is a ridiculous typo to have in my opinion.

Re "the 2100sf Finished Basement":

"In the case of one comp it has over 1,100 less finished square feet and 700 less total square feet, but no adjustment was made. In another case the comp had 800 less finished square feet and 1,700 less total square feet and there is no bedroom in the basement, and again, no adjustment was made."

The market, by lack of any comparables with 2100sf (or more) finished basements may clearly indicate Functional Obsolescence, Superadequacy (Over-improvement) above the largest, similarly finished comparable.

Alternatively, depending on the client required "Turn-around Time" for the assignment, the appraiser may not have done the requisite due diligence in support of an opinion that the subject's basement is atypically large, and atypically finished yielding no additional return on investment in the current market.

Should the required market data research have been done, the search parameters and the results - including addressing the subject's finished basement - should appear in both the Cost Approach and Sales Comparison Approach to Value.
Those are fair points, the builder had estimated the finished basement at 1,500 sf at one point, so I was kind of surprised when the appraiser estimated it at 2,000 sf ... it's a lot of space for a big family room, a bedroom, and a bathroom, no doubt, and I can see an argument where maybe you'll have difficulty finding someone willing to pay more for a 1,300 sf family room compared to an 800 sf family room.

Per Dodd-Frank you can request that factual errors be corrected.
Are you saying that some appraisers needed a law passed a few years ago to compel them to fix factual errors in reports? :)
I would think a professional appraiser would have to do some serious explaining as to why comparables selling for around $430k and around 3500sf are being adjusted by only $18/sf. I have seen such adjustments (and lower) being valid for poorer urban areas but when talking about $430k properties I would question how many acres the property is on (as in 20ac or 40ac+?) or whether or not it is on the ocean or lake or such. For my markets those three are typically the only way the adjustment would be so low (ave condition in a poor neighborhood, or poor condition but with significant acreage or site features).
The property does have one, what we believe, is a significant site feature, it's a golf course view home, which is duly noted in the appraisal. None of the comparables are, but no adjustment is made for this to any of the comparables, so in effect the appraiser says it does not add any value over homes without this feature. I don't particularly agree with that either, but it was not something I mentioned previously because it's lower on my list of many concerns I have about the report.

Diminished marginal return.
There is generally a huge difference in the functional utility of a 2BR house compared to a 1BR house, a difference between a 3BR and a 2BR, but as BR count rises the question of functional utility can shift to how roomy the various rooms are in comparison to each other (are the bedrooms smaller such that a double-bed is a tight fit? Is the kitchen reduced in size? Does one have a den and the other an extra bedroom?) and at some point having one extra bedroom may add nothing or actually be a slight negative.
That does make some sense, which is why I was less sure that was a problem and was more just a question if that was appropriate. FYI, they did adjust for the one comp that had one less bathroom, the difference was $1,500. (again, what seems to me to be a low adjustment, but something that was lower on my list of concerns).

Honestly? Except for full walk-out basements I have found neighborhoods where, if the property is under 20yrs old, having a finished basement or not added *NO* value whatsoever (aka, those without finished basements did not sell for less than those with finished basements as the houses were new enough new owners wanted to finish them to their own standards or just use for storage.
It's a full walkout basement (and it has golf course views actually). I believe in our area it adds value, and actually the appraiser acknowledged it had value over an unfinished basement, but did not acknowledge large differences in the size of the basements (and maybe as someone pointed out earlier, that is appropriate because it's over-finished or such).
 
again....it's all geographical....in west michigan a ranch, despite it's age, had better have basement finish. 20+ yo ranches sell for for more than new construction with no basement finish.
 
Are you saying that some appraisers needed a law passed a few years ago to compel them to fix factual errors in reports? :)

Actually the law passed supposedly eliminated the ability of others to pressure appraisers, but allowed for three exceptions:
  1. Correction of factual errors
  2. Additional clarification of certain points
  3. The CONSIDERATION of additional APPROPRIATE data (such as additional comparable sales)
Paraphrased from Dodd-Frank section 1453 1 c IIRC. Also I put them in a different order.
 
Just an update, I spoke with a 'lead appraiser' from the appraisal firm (some large national outfit, I won't name names to protect the guilty or innocent) for about 30 minutes, I pointed out to him that the significant error on the listing price of the active comp made me examine the appraisal more carefully and I found it to be unacceptable. They are supposedly addressing the issues, but I haven't seen anything back yet (I talked to him Friday morning). He said he was disappointed not just in the appraiser, but also that they supposedly QC the product and some of the mistakes should be obvious to whoever did that from their firm.

After posting here originally and continuing to review it I noticed that the condition of the property was listed as as "C3; Kitchen-updated-one to five years ago; Bathrooms-updated-one to five years ago; The improvements are well maintained and feature limited physical depreciation due to normal wear and tear. Some components but not every component may be updated or recently rehabilitated. The structure has been well maintained."

Ummm, this is a brand new, recently completed home, it should have been rated C1 based on the standard definitions.

Honestly, there were so many factual errors I tried to avoid debating more qualitative issues, but even the standardized Quality rating of the home at Q4 was off, I think the home is a Q2 (it's a customer built home with custom built finishes in a high end community of similar homes). Inarguably, based on the standard definitions, our home is a Q3.

As for the issue of cost of square footage, the lead appraiser seemed to indicate that valuing square footage at $18 per square foot when adjusting comps but using a cost approach value of $80.85 didn't seem to be consistent.

I appreciate the input provided by everyone here, it helped me be a little more intelligent in my discussion with the lead appraiser and we'll see what they come back with now.
 
After posting here originally and continuing to review it I noticed that the condition of the property was listed as as "C3; Kitchen-updated-one to five years ago; Bathrooms-updated-one to five years ago; The improvements are well maintained and feature limited physical depreciation due to normal wear and tear. Some components but not every component may be updated or recently rehabilitated. The structure has been well maintained."

Ummm, this is a brand new, recently completed home, it should have been rated C1 based on the standard definitions.

There was a discussion on the appraiser's forum a while back how, all depending on a couple of factors, a home could be a Q1, Q2 or even a Q3.

1) Do you currently live in the home or is it a home you are looking to purchase?
If the former then it pretty much can not be a Q1 because the second somebody lives in it because it then "previously occupied" if you were to list it on the market.
2) The next question if whether there is ANY deferred maintenance and whether or not the property is outdated and/or fails to meet current standards. The appraiser's opinion on where it falls (as well as features, layout, functional utility, and so forth) can mean the difference between C2 and C3, therefore no one online could easily say yes it is one or that it is unreasonable to consider it the other without seeing it in its entirety.

I know that is not likely what you wanted to hear, but it is what Fannie Mae has pushed upon us appraisers (aka, these codes that can split hairs at times).
 
There was a discussion on the appraiser's forum a while back how, all depending on a couple of factors, a home could be a Q1, Q2 or even a Q3.

1) Do you currently live in the home or is it a home you are looking to purchase?
If the former then it pretty much can not be a Q1 because the second somebody lives in it because it then "previously occupied" if you were to list it on the market.
2) The next question if whether there is ANY deferred maintenance and whether or not the property is outdated and/or fails to meet current standards. The appraiser's opinion on where it falls (as well as features, layout, functional utility, and so forth) can mean the difference between C2 and C3, therefore no one online could easily say yes it is one or that it is unreasonable to consider it the other without seeing it in its entirety.

I know that is not likely what you wanted to hear, but it is what Fannie Mae has pushed upon us appraisers (aka, these codes that can split hairs at times).

I think you meant C for condition, not Q for quality?

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I tried posting this yesterday, but my computer has challenges with this forum for some reason ... what I had said was ...

The home is brand new, recently completed, and never lived in, it is a C1, that was another error by the appraiser, the lead appraiser said he agreed (admittedly I don't know how much of his agreement was to get rid of me ...).

I understand that Q's are more subjective, but the criteria for Q4 includes standard floor plans and builder grade finishes (with some upgrades). That does not describe the home we're buying at all, the home is custom built with many upgrades in a community of similar homes, there is no question in my mind it's at least a Q3, and based on the standard definition, I think a Q2 would be appropriate, but I can understand the difference between Q3 and Q2 is quite subjective.
 
I understand that Q's are more subjective, but the criteria for Q4 includes standard floor plans and builder grade finishes (with some upgrades). That does not describe the home we're buying at all, the home is custom built with many upgrades in a community of similar homes, there is no question in my mind it's at least a Q3, and based on the standard definition, I think a Q2 would be appropriate, but I can understand the difference between Q3 and Q2 is quite subjective.


so you sat down with the architect and designed the entire house from the ground up without even so much as looking at any floorplan prior? you have upgrades that no one else in the community has? sounds to me like it is already over-improved for the neighborhood. what is the difference between "some" and "many" upgrades? remember, you have a personal interest in this property so your views will not be the same as the impartial party (appraiser). i'm not saying what he did is right or wrong, just that your view is clouded by human nature.

if everything you have posted is true you have more than enough ammo to dispute the appraisal. arguing Q2 vs Q3 vs Q4, which is subjective to a point, probably won't help you out that much.
 
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