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If you think the current improvements are only worthy of tear down, then essentially what you are doing is a land appraisal reported on a 1004. The value of the improvements is pretty much limited to the contributory value of prepaid development fees for an improved lot. Which would be similar to lots which have sold where there is an existing improvement of any size.
 
But I'm not appraising vacant land. I am appraising the land and the contributory value of the improvements. There is no way I can do that on a vacant land form.
 
Sorry. I wasn't suggesting reporting it on a land form. I was saying that in essence this is like a land appraisal but reported on the 1004. I've done these before. 175 acres with a 400 sf cabin and no electricity. 40 acres with a loggers skid cabin and a goofy octogon, unpermitted cabin. etc.

You search for land comps in addition to searching for improved lots on acreage. They are sometimes marketed both ways.

So your subject is 11 acres with a fully depreciated residential structure.

Your comps are similar parcels with depreciated structures or structures with minimal contributory value.
 
Why can't this be done on the 1004 with zero GLA for the subject and negative GLA adjustments for comps with minimal improvements? The other site improvements (+adj), the demolition affect (-adj), and any possible salvage (+adj) could be shown elsewhere on the grid.

This plan would at least reflect reality.
 
If HBU is 'as if vacant', then vacant lots are mandated...imho.

"A property is appraised as if vacant and available for its highest and best use as of the date of appraisal" and if they value exceeds the value "as is", then the lot is "vacant" Screw REO, its a lot, not a dwelling
 
Ruben-

Terrel is making a critical point here about HBU, and the "as improved" Fannie guideline (if, indeed, you must comply with this; I would think so, since your client is Fannie itself) would seem to require a value as if vacant.

This is getting more complicated as we go along.
You want my advice (I'll give it to you anyway)? Other than disclosing everything imaginable...
1. Go ahead and use "improved properties" if you feel you must. I'd state that doing so most likely results in a value of limited reliability.
2. Give them an alternative value using vacant land approach. So what if they won't use it. It's in your report and you can even state that, in your opinion, this alternative valuation is more reliable.
(I won't take up space giving an example of how you could word this, sounds like you don't need any assistance in that area).

Give them what they say they want and give them what you think they should have (as the appraiser). Yes, lots of work, but you are covered.
Out of all the client's imaginable, Fannie would be considered one of the most sophisticated and I would expect them to understand and accept what you are doing with the two values ( the second one could be in the addendum, not on the value opinion line in the form). There's no way they could claim "We didn't understand what the appraiser was doing".

Good luck!
 
It sounds to me like part of the problem is the client: FNMA. FNMA doesn't do land loans. Maybe they lent on a property that they shouldn't have, and don't want to hear that they made a mistake.
 
This property was purchased with conventional financing less than 2 years ago for more than 170k. In my sales grid, I ended up at about the same price that I did with my vacant land sales. I think they will be happy (at least with my appraisal), but it seems that a skippy got in on this deal a few years ago and the loan went through. Fannie is going to have to eat this deal.
 
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