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Temp Permits And Background Checks

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PL1957

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Illinois is in the process of rewriting the appraiser licensing act. Among the new provisions is the requirement that anyone who applies for a Temporary Practice Permits has to submit to a background check. Is that typical in other states?

A new background check is required at renewal as well ... also, all CE must be completed 3 months before your license expires, otherwise you get fined ...

Michigan is starting to look better and better ...
 

glenn walker

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I think is becoming more common especially since lot's of things can happen in a persons life between renewals so I expect it to become the new standard.
 

Meandering

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What, pray tell, are they looking for in a background check????????

If you have been arrested and "served your time" haven't you paid for your crime????

If you have not been arrested, would your crime show up in a background check????

Perhaps if would be more productive if appraisers start asking for legal definitions of what will/or will not preclude you from having a license to practice, which might be found in a background check. That way appraisers with discrediting histories could self remove from the licensing procedure.

Shouldn't you really be told what they are looking for in a background check?

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Terrel L. Shields

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Is that typical in other states?
No. Texas charges $250 for temp license though. Add that to your fee... End result for both? No one from out of state need apply. So the "solution" to appraiser shortage of using out of state appraisers is no solution at all.
 

Vernon Martin

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In the end, a professional licensing agency often becomes the champion of its licensees in protecting them from competition from non-licensees or out-of-state appraisers, and enforcing good appraisal practice becomes secondary. Doesn't Illinois fine non-licensees $25,000 to $30,000 as I thought Brian Weaver once wrote? Are any Illinois licensees fined that much?

I see background checks as principally a tool to discourage out-of-state appraisers. Some states like Nevada and Texas also have a burdensome fingerprinting requirement, but what crimes are they actually looking for? How often do appraisers get arrested?

In the loan due diligence I do for private lenders I often run background checks on the parties in the loan transaction. Borrowers sometimes have tax liens, lis pendens, foreclosures or bankruptcies which would call into question their character or ability to repay, but what would disqualify an appraiser? "Failure to make child support payments" is the only crime I've seen California suspend appraisers for.

The ASC and state agencies keep a list of disciplinary actions. Wouldn't that suffice?
 

PL1957

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In the end, a professional licensing agency often becomes the champion of its licensees in protecting them from competition from non-licensees or out-of-state appraisers, and enforcing good appraisal practice becomes secondary. Doesn't Illinois fine non-licensees $25,000 to $30,000 as I thought Brian Weaver once wrote? Are any Illinois licensees fined that much?

I see background checks as principally a tool to discourage out-of-state appraisers. Some states like Nevada and Texas also have a burdensome fingerprinting requirement, but what crimes are they actually looking for? How often do appraisers get arrested?

In the loan due diligence I do for private lenders I often run background checks on the parties in the loan transaction. Borrowers sometimes have tax liens, lis pendens, foreclosures or bankruptcies which would call into question their character or ability to repay, but what would disqualify an appraiser? "Failure to make child support payments" is the only crime I've seen California suspend appraisers for.

The ASC and state agencies keep a list of disciplinary actions. Wouldn't that suffice?
Biggest fine I remember for an IL appraiser was $10K ... I'm trying to remember his name ...
 

timd354

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In the end, a professional licensing agency often becomes the champion of its licensees in protecting them from competition from non-licensees or out-of-state appraisers, and enforcing good appraisal practice becomes secondary. Doesn't Illinois fine non-licensees $25,000 to $30,000 as I thought Brian Weaver once wrote? Are any Illinois licensees fined that much?

I see background checks as principally a tool to discourage out-of-state appraisers. Some states like Nevada and Texas also have a burdensome fingerprinting requirement, but what crimes are they actually looking for? How often do appraisers get arrested?

In the loan due diligence I do for private lenders I often run background checks on the parties in the loan transaction. Borrowers sometimes have tax liens, lis pendens, foreclosures or bankruptcies which would call into question their character or ability to repay, but what would disqualify an appraiser? "Failure to make child support payments" is the only crime I've seen California suspend appraisers for.

The ASC and state agencies keep a list of disciplinary actions. Wouldn't that suffice?
The IL board has tried to discipline a couple of lawyers involved in property tax cases for supposedly conducting appraisal practice without a license and now is being sued by the IL Bar association. I think that the state board is going learn the hard way that they have no business trying to regulate lawyers in their practice of law.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...erty-tax-lawyers-0713-biz-20170711-story.html
 

Stephen J. Vertin MAI

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According to the Illinois Coalition of Real Estate Appraisers (ICAP which holds considerable political power in the state) the change in administrative rules are simply errors. Administrators have no legal authority to make such changes. It is highly probable these rules will never go into effect. If any other ICAP member cares to chime in please do so. But here is the organizations response:

capweb.org/go.php?id=662&table=page_uploads&utm_source=Past+Members&utm_campaign=af60b2c8be-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_11_22&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3653abae63-af60b2c8be-163518141

Since the OP is most likely reading the draft this oversight is logical. Hell the ADs did not catch these changes and according to ICAP they must be corrected (note wording). Again, the proposed changes were in draft format and there is always bound to be errors.
 
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